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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    The TSA has to justify its ruinously expensive existance with these ridiculous and completely unnecessary "security" proceedures. If a turrist wants to bring down a plane there are much more efficient and completely non-detectable ways of doing it than stuffing semtex down his jocks. In any event, crashing planes is very 2001 these days. I'd be more concerned about dirty nuclear or biological devices in shipping containers, the vast majority of which enter and leave countries without any screening whatsoever.
    It might be kind of contradictory to say that Al Qaeda considers crashing planes very 2001 when they tried to crash one using the underwear method. And that they tried to send bombs on planes just a few weeks ago.

    One of the measures of whether TSA is effective is whether stuff is getting onto planes and blowing up, or whether stuff is getting onto planes at all. As threats evolve (people stuffing things in their shoes or underwear), TSA's procedures, out of necessity, evolve, too.

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    When one single turrist is detected and apprehended via one of these machines I'll change my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    When one single turrist is detected and apprehended via one of these machines I'll change my opinion.
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    I think TSA hired better looking people and gave you a choice of who you want to feel you up, things might work much better.

    I think I might not mind a really hot looking buff guy making sure I was safe. lol.

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    Another TSA Outrage



    Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)
    Thursday, November 18th at 6:28PM EST
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    A friend of mine sent me this about his TSA experience. He, unlike most of us, was coming back into the country from Afghanistan on a military charter.
    ——–
    As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the following:
    When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards.
    Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to stop at Indianapolis, Indiana to drop off about 100 folks from the Indiana National Guard. That’s where the stupid started.
    First, everyone was forced to get off the plane–even though the plane wasn’t refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a male/female latrine.
    It’s probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons. Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren’t loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.
    The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected. Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area, the TSA decided not to reinspect our Cargo–just to inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected, reinspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever. So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.
    This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying pistols.
    So we’re in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they’re going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went something like this:
    TSA Guy: You can’t take those on the plane.
    Soldier: What? I’ve had them since we left country.
    TSA Guy: You’re not suppose to have them.
    Soldier: Why?
    TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.
    Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I’m allowed to take it on.
    TSA Guy: Yeah but you can’t use it to take over the plane. You don’t have bullets.
    Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?
    TSA Guy: [awkward silence]
    Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we can get the f**k out of here. I’ll buy you a new set.
    Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]
    This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine guns–but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    When one single turrist is detected and apprehended via one of these machines I'll change my opinion.
    I don't think that I agree with that rationale. Just the fact that the machines exist, and that the pat-down exists, means that terrorists are going to avoid using methods or bombs that they could have used years ago, but which would be detected now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post

    PLEASE tell me this is some sort of joke, I can't tolerate that much stupid today.
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    I think it's perverse and ironic that a TSA employee confiscated a military guy's clippers. I don't think it's an outrage, though. Of course, RedState's whole mission is to be outraged by anything that happens under Obama.

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    Default Flight attendant forced to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down

    CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - A Charlotte-area flight attendant and cancer survivor contacted WBTV after she says she was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a pat-down.

    Cathy Bossi lives in south Charlotte and has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, working the past 28 for U.S. Airways.

    In early August Bossie was walking through security when she says she was asked to go through the new full body-scanners at Concourse "D" at Charlotte Douglas International.

    She reluctantly agreed. As a 3-year breast cancer survivor she says she didn't want the added radiation through her body. But, Bossi says she did agree.

    "The T.S.A. Agent told me to put my I.D. on my back," she said. "When I got out of there she said because my I.D. was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."

    She says two female Charlotte T.S.A. agents took her to a private room and began what she calls an aggressive pat down. She says they stopped when they got around to feeling her right breast… the one where she'd had surgery.

    Pat-down Backlash: Child groped during pat-down? What are the rules?

    "She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?'. And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that'."

    Cathy was asked to show her prosthetic breast, removing it from her bra.

    "I did not take the name of the person at the time because it was just so horrific of an experience, I couldn't believe someone had done that to me. I'm a flight attendant. I was just trying to get to work."
    Since then, Cathy has contacted the Legislative Affairs Team, a group through the flight attendant union. She says she wants to see a crackdown on these personal pat downs.

    "There are blowers and there are dogs out there that can sniff out bombs," she says. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

    A T.S.A. representative says agents aren't supposed to remove any prosthetics, but are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic.

    T.S.A. says it will review this matter.

    Cancer surviving flight attendant forced to remove prosthetic br - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC-



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    ^^That is disgusting and cruel. These new procedures have to stop. We tolerated the confiscation of harmless items, the removal of the shoes, and all the other crap, but these porn-scans and patdowns are just too much. The backlash is justified and hopefully will go away soon.
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    Bunch of assholes is what the TSA is. Makes me mad enough to write letters to congressmen. I just spoke to my friend who did just that and she got a standard form letter but someone also suggested she write the airports to complain, as it's up to the airport to use TSA security. (I'm not sure that's completely accurate but worth looking into.)

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    The airports are NOT required to use TSA. Its worth it to write to your local airports as well.

    The real thing that's pissing me off about all this is that rabid Repugs are saying this is all Obama's doing. Um, no sorry, these procedures were already coming down the pike before he was elected.
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    Ooh, Thanks for the info greys. Yeah, I'm not an Obama fan on a lot of things but saying it's his fault is just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    The airports are NOT required to use TSA. Its worth it to write to your local airports as well.
    They aren't required to use them, and some airport in San Francisco has already opted out of the program. However, from the report I heard this morning, they still have to abide by TSA guidelines, and opt-out airports are using private security firms to do it.

    The question is, are the private firms going to be any more accountable than the TSA employees? If I remember correctly, the original intent in the Bush administration for federalizing the security personnel at airports was that private firms were doing such a sh*tty job.

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    Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I’m allowed to take it on.

    TSA Guy: Yeah but you can’t use it to take over the plane. You don’t have bullets.
    Apparently the TSA guy has never been smacked with the butt of a rifle. He probably should have demonstrated.



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