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    ^I'm sorry, but that's just a stupid, assuming, blanket rant. What the hell do YOU know about people's experience with (people with) disabilities!!!! Speaking solely for myself, my sadness and sympathy for Kilmer's situation is partly due to the fact that it may not have been necessary that he ended up like this, due to his "religious" beliefs.
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    This is a huge, life-changing development for Kilmer, and we would have made note of it for anyone. Like Kirk Douglas having a massive, speech-effecting stroke, or Christopher Reeve having a horse-riding accident that made him a quadriplegic, or Sammi Sosa accidentally bleaching himself until he looked like Edgar Winter's little brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetigeress View Post
    \its a fukin disability... big deal ! I'm not sad. Im jubilant for him ! He fuckin survived cancer !!
    Okay, so he sounds different
    Okay, he has to struggle a bit more so than a person who hasn't gone through what he has gone through.

    people who go all " this is so sad" when it comes to any kind of disability pisses me right the fuk off
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    Living in a world where people cant handle people with disabilities



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    yes it’s fucking sad. I’d be fucking sad too if it happened to me and not because of any discrimination I would face or bc people couldn’t handle it, but because it would fucking suck to have a major illness and lose my voice as a result. No one should discriminate against people with disabilities but no one would choose to have a disability, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetigeress View Post
    \its a fukin disability... big deal ! I'm not sad. Im jubilant for him ! He fuckin survived cancer !!
    Okay, so he sounds different
    Okay, he has to struggle a bit more so than a person who hasn't gone through what he has gone through.

    people who go all " this is so sad" when it comes to any kind of disability pisses me right the fuk off
    Know what is sad?
    Living in a world where people cant handle people with disabilities



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    With all due respect as a cancer survivor this is the attitude I come up against when I want medial help with some of the issues that the treatment has left me with.
    The unsympathetic response of "you survived cancer" is not enough IMO.
    Yes we survived but we expect a quality of life afterwards - other wise what was the point?

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    At least they can dub a voice for him. Hes a good enough actor to carry that off. Poor guy. He was such an eye catching man in his youth.
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    Know what is sad?
    Living in a world where people cant handle people with disabilities



    I have a disability that I didn't have when I was younger. And, you know what is sad? Not being able to live your life the way you once did. In Val Kilmer's case, not being able to speak affects his ability to communicate with others and to use his voice as an actor to communicate love, rage and sorrow, to add emotion to words and gestures. He'll have to be dubbed over from now on unless he can learn to speak better (and I'm sure he's working on that). Yes, he has survived cancer which is a major victory in life. But we'll have to see if he can still bring his trademark passion and intensity to a role without using his own voice. I know he is a Christian Scientist, but I wonder if his voice would be so damaged if he'd seen a doctor sooner.
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    Well I get the general upset, but the original point--that some disabled people don't welcome pity as an automatic reaction to their disability--is valid also.

    I imagine I'd want people to see me as more than my disability.

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    BUMP: documentary on his life is due out. Heartbreaking, but at least he now acknowledges he's had throat cancer.

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    I want to see this! Thanks for posting the trailer HWBL!
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    There's nothing wrong with seeing or feeling the sadness of a situation. It doesn't mean you've unpacked your bags and intend to stay there.

    Let people have their feelings and work through them. It is particularly sad that he lost his voice, as being an actor is what he is known for.

    Is it worse than dying? Believe it or not, sometimes this is a matter of personal beliefs. I've met people who would rather die than deal with the results of a medical diagnosis and treatment that caused them to lose a body part or function. Bob Marley might have lived if he'd let a toe be amputated. A motherfucking toe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsDark View Post
    There's nothing wrong with seeing or feeling the sadness of a situation. It doesn't mean you've unpacked your bags and intend to stay there.

    Let people have their feelings and work through them. It is particularly sad that he lost his voice, as being an actor is what he is known for.

    Is it worse than dying? Believe it or not, sometimes this is a matter of personal beliefs. I've met people who would rather die than deal with the results of a medical diagnosis and treatment that caused them to lose a body part or function. Bob Marley might have lived if he'd let a toe be amputated. A motherfucking toe.
    My very beautiful aunt refused a (probably) life-saving mastectomy because she felt it would ruin her looks. That turned out as expected.
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    and steve jobs who had a rare type of pancreatic cancer that is actually treatable but rather than have surgery, he chose holistic treatments instead of aggressive surgery and waited almost a year after diagnosis before finally having hte surgery that had been initially recommended. a lot of oncologists have speculated he could still be alive, or would have lived longer and with more quality of life, had he had the surgery sooner.

    and this woman i worked with until a couple of years ago, also opted against a radical mastectomy when diagnosed with breast cancer and had just a lumpectomy and radiation. she's also good looking and not just that, she's quite vain and attaches a lot of importance to her looks. the cancer came back and spread to her lymph nodes and now she has stage 4 metastatic bc and she knows all the medical treatments she has are just to stop it from spreading even more and cutting out the bits that metastasise but now it's a chronic thing and she knows it will kill her eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    and steve jobs who had a rare type of pancreatic cancer that is actually treatable but rather than have surgery, he chose holistic treatments instead of aggressive surgery and waited almost a year after diagnosis before finally having hte surgery that had been initially recommended. a lot of oncologists have speculated he could still be alive, or would have lived longer and with more quality of life, had he had the surgery sooner.

    and this woman i worked with until a couple of years ago, also opted against a radical mastectomy when diagnosed with breast cancer and had just a lumpectomy and radiation. she's also good looking and not just that, she's quite vain and attaches a lot of importance to her looks. the cancer came back and spread to her lymph nodes and now she has stage 4 metastatic bc and she knows all the medical treatments she has are just to stop it from spreading even more and cutting out the bits that metastasise but now it's a chronic thing and she knows it will kill her eventually.
    Yes, Job's cancer was so treatable, he would still be alive if he hadn't effed around for a year. Stupid.

    Your former co-worker too, especially since (from what I've read) they do fantastic reconstructive surgeries nowadays. My aunt came down with it in the 70's, much less choice then and mostly crude reconstruction. She was very vain as well, everything was about looks, clothes, etc. Too bad, she was young-ish and would likely still be alive.
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    ^^^^
    i should add, that my former co-worker went against her doctors' advice. lots of BC can be treated with just a lumpectomy and radiation but in her case, because of how aggressive her specific type of cancer is, a mastectomy was recommended. i have all the details because she's also a raging narcissist with no boundaries, but that's a conversation for another day and a different thread.
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    I know I’m biased but I don’t see why it’s our business if he had (throat) cancer or not. Not everyone is a raging narcissist (see above) like Jolie making us examine her belly button fluff….
    Also VK was brought up as a Christian Scientist and it must be quite hard to go against that belief/conditioning/whatever. That he is an actor who has lost his “voice” I can’t imagine what that is like.
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