Name some Hollywood actors and actresses you SUSPECT are gay

[bite me spidey]

Originally Posted by HWBL

True. In the beginning of his career, superstud Warren Beatty had those rumors simply because his first movies were all written by older gay men (William Inge, who had an unrequited crush on Warren and Tennessee Williams).

Gee, why am I not surprised.

Originally Posted by StayYoung&Pretty

I just wanted to put this here; i know a guy who was an actor and hes gay; and maybe it sounds ridiculous but he honestly believes alot of actors become gay because they touch women so much that it loses all its magic; so they go to men. It makes sense to me.

I don't believe that because that's basically saying your sexual preference is a choice and I don't believe that—I think you're born the way you are. I think you make an interesting point but I don't think it's that simple. If some men are turned off of women because of the industry, then they have to be at least bisexual to begin with. A straight man can't "turn" gay anymore than a gay man can "turn" straight. I think that's the bottom line.

I could easily see men being turned off of Hollywood women though—especially nowadays. The "women" we watch and "idolize" are absolutely foul. I honestly don't understand how Hollywood men can date those morons. They give all women a horrible, horrible rep. So in that sense I could easily see a straight man being completely jaded by Hollywood women; but I don't think that would "make them gay." If the man's already bisexual or bicurious, I could see him turning to men to experiment—but if he's straight he's straight. He would probably just stop dating more than anything. I'll use myself as an example: I haven't dated any of the men in my area because I got so beyond sick of the type of men I come across almost every day. I didn't turn to women because of this—I simply stopped dating. Right now I'm just skating along waiting for someone that does spark my interest, but in the mean time I really just don't care. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Hollywood straight men were like that.

Originally Posted by MoodyJenny86

...Honestly, to me it doesn't matter what a person's sexual orientation is...it's about who they are inside as a person. Same with actors/actresses, I don't care if they're straight, gay, bisexual, asexual or whatever...what truly matters is their ACTING and whether or not they are any good at it. =)

I'm always saying that because it's how I've always felt!!

[HWBL]

Originally Posted by HWBL

True. In the beginning of his career, superstud Warren Beatty had those rumors simply because his first movies were all written by older gay men (William Inge, who had an unrequited crush on Warren and Tennessee Williams).

^Okay, just what doesn't surprise you about that?

[SweetPea]

I think it's safe to say that anyone who dates Penelope Cruz is gay. Cruise, McConaughey, and Bloom.

Also I feel it from Hilary Swank too.

[Raspberry gashes]

Originally Posted by bite me spidey

Gee, why am I not surprised.



I don't believe that because that's basically saying your sexual preference is a choice and I don't believe that—I think you're born the way you are. I think you make an interesting point but I don't think it's that simple. If some men are turned off of women because of the industry, then they have to be at least bisexual to begin with. A straight man can't "turn" gay anymore than a gay man can "turn" straight. I think that's the bottom line.

I am unsure about this because I used to think people were born with an attraction to the same sex, but I also believe that its a choice. I am straight but lately I think I could easily turn to women. I wasn't BORN gay. How do you explain bisexuality then? Do you think people are born bisexual? I dont know, but I honestly believe people choose to be gay. They choose to be attracted to the same sex. I can look at a beautiful woman and start fantasizing about touching her, but at the same time I dont have to ogle women and think about that. I dont have to indulge in that thought.

And I know gay men who were once straight and dated women; they chose to be gay, they decided they liked men more, they liked homosexual sex better than sex with a woman. I dont think people are born that way. Thats why we have an in hole, and the male has something to stick in there... haha, if that makes sense. I didn't know how to word that, but its true. Also, if it was meant to be natural, women and men could both have children. If God made people gay by nature, I think he'd allow them to have children too. Why should someone be born gay and never have that opportunity? Thats why i believe its a CHOICE.

[bite me spidey]

Originally Posted by HWBL

^Okay, just what doesn't surprise you about that?

I can't tell if you're being serious or not (whether or not you're joking or misunderstood my post) so I'll clarify anyway: I'm not surprised even Warren has had gay rumors about him.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I think it's safe to say that anyone who dates Penelope Cruz is gay. Cruise, McConaughey, and Bloom.

Also I feel it from Hilary Swank too.

Correction: Bloom isn't dating her and hasn't. That's been media garbage (just like Kirsten).

Originally Posted by StayYoung&Pretty

I am unsure about this because I used to think people were born with an attraction to the same sex, but I also believe that its a choice. I am straight but lately I think I could easily turn to women. I wasn't BORN gay. How do you explain bisexuality then? Do you think people are born bisexual? I dont know, but I honestly believe people choose to be gay. They choose to be attracted to the same sex. I can look at a beautiful woman and start fantasizing about touching her, but at the same time I dont have to ogle women and think about that. I dont have to indulge in that thought.

And I know gay men who were once straight and dated women; they chose to be gay, they decided they liked men more, they liked homosexual sex better than sex with a woman. I dont think people are born that way. Thats why we have an in hole, and the male has something to stick in there... haha, if that makes sense. I didn't know how to word that, but its true. Also, if it was meant to be natural, women and men could both have children. If God made people gay by nature, I think he'd allow them to have children too. Why should someone be born gay and never have that opportunity? Thats why i believe its a CHOICE.

You are definitely right that this is a very hard thing to word correctly. I keep typing out too-long things but then come to the conclusion that I probably make no sense! I'm going to try and make bullets to explain what I mean and answer some of your questions (and also ask you some questions in return).

- Your male friends experimented and found that they preferred men... That's natural and that's what I mean by "being born" that way. It's what they naturally feel and like. They cannot help it. That's what I mean... If you cannot help something, that's just the way your brain is, and that means you were born that way. I cannot help liking men... I have never given it a second thought and I know for a FACT you could not force me to like a woman. I would have to feel that on my own. By saying that you think sexual orientation is a "choice," I think you're basically saying there are no real gay people on this planet, because they can all "choose" to be straight if they want. I don't agree with that at ALL from personal experience (knowing many gay men and woman). I think you're born with your brain, and what you like is what you like. You can NOT help liking one over the other—or liking both; or preferring one but not minding the other. I personally think there's A LOT to sexual orientation, and I think it's silly to categorize it into two extreme categories. There has been a lot of studies on this and almost all of them have found that most people don't fit the "strictly straight/gay" mold.

- I don't believe God created us so maybe that's why I feel differently than you do. Either way though, human beings are the only species on this planet that has sex for pleasure. We don't just have sex to procreate. All other animals on this planet do (with the exception of Dolphins, I think). So in that sense, I think it's only natural that within that quirk we'd have people who prefer the same sex—naturally. Or both etc. We're pretty much a kinky species and we do a lot of "unnatural" things when it comes to sex. I mean, think about it... Do you see gay animals? No. There has been jokes about that but I assure you that's just human beings being silly and taking animal behaviors wrongly. You don't see gay animals because they don't have sex for pleasure! If they did I'm positive there would be gay animals because, like I said, I think it's natural that someone might prefer the same sex when we're having sex for fun. You cannot help what you like though.

- Here's a good question for you: How do you explain gay children? Children who know they're gay but don't understand it yet? Every gay man and woman I personally know, has known they were gay since they were a child... They did not make any "choice." In other words, they were born liking one over the other. The only reason why most gay children suppressed that feeling growing up is because they were bombarded with "must be straight" since they were born. So, they may have dated women (or men) in the beginning, but that does not mean they were straight. My gay friend dated women and even did sexual things with them—but he was never straight. He did it because he did not WANT to be gay; he wanted to be straight because that's what he was told he should be. In the end though, he came out and I think he's 100x happier being what he truly is.

Also, if being gay really is a choice and we're all born straight (like you say) then why are there so many gay people? There has been gay men and woman since the beginning of time... If it was as easy as "eh, I don't want to like that" then how come everybody isn't straight? We live in a world that discriminates against homosexuality. Who in their right mind would WANT to be beat down for being what they are? I think the answer is simple... Because they can't help it. They were born that way and they cannot help preferring the same sex—anymore than you can help liking the opposite sex.

So that's how I look at it. I think that explains my point as easily as possible. I'm not bashing you or your opinion—I just disagree. I like to debate and I find this issue very interesting.

[q2bess]

Well according to Wentworth Miller he is not gay or at least he states as much in this interview.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=174353

[bite me spidey]

Originally Posted by q2bess

Well according to Wentworth Miller he is not gay or at least he states as much in this interview.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=174353

I like this quote:

"'Certain people are going to have certain fantasies, if someone wants to imagine me with a woman, or a man or one of each that's cool with me as long as you keep watching the show.'"

He seems like a cool guy—especially since that's what I do regardless of what they prefer in real life.

[southernbelle]

I believe that some people genuinely are born with homsexual tendencies, but that a lot of people do choose that lifestyle for attention (predominately women) or out of spite from either rejection, a past relationship that was abusive or ended badly, or molestation/traumatic experiences in the past.

As of recently, I think that people can be raised to be homosexual, as well. For example, I know a boy with a stage mother who had 5 boys and was determined to make her youngest son a Broadway star-- a lifelong pipe dream of hers that she'd failed to accomplish. I think that she spared the rest of them this experience because she'd been holding out and hoping to have a girl. He was enrolled in jazz, tap, and ballet lessons as soon as he was eligible (3 years old), and not much later began voice training and drama classes. Obviously, because his mother was raising him to enjoy traditionally "feminine" activities while his peers were being raised playing sports, he felt "different." He was mocked and accused of being gay by classmates as soon as they began to understand what the word meant. Because he was attractive and friendly, he was extremely popular with the girls as we got older. We all wanted to hang out with him all the time, and he was included in our clique. Unfortunately, some of the guys continued to openly question his sexuality. At one point in high school, he swore to me and all of my closest girlfriends that he was not gay. Yet now, as an adult, he identifies himself as a homosexual and claims to have known since childhood. However, I sometimes wonder if he would have had a different life outcome if his mother hadn't raised him on the Broadway track and he'd been allowed to be involved in sports and other traditionally male activities as a child like his peers. I think that he may have mistaken feeling awkward, different, and just not fitting in with feeling "gay," and because he was told so often and by so many people growing up that he was gay, he started to believe it. I think about this a lot.


Another celeb couple that I suspect of being secretly gay are Natalie Portman and Gael Garcia Bernal.

[q2bess]

SouthernBelle, exactly what is your point? Nurture vs Nature?

I don't believe you can be raised to be gay or turn gay, I think it is a natural state. Your friend was born gay. He denied it in school because he felt it would only make him even more of an outcast, nothing more and nothing less.

[southernbelle]

My point is that while I agree that some people are born gay, I think some people who were not born that way also turn out to be gay because of life experiences or the way that they were raised.

[Raspberry gashes]

^I agree. There's no evidence that people are born gay though and lately I've seen alot more gay people than ever before which makes me think its a choice, a lifestyle.

[bite me spidey]

You bring up some good points southernbelle that I somewhat agree with but still question. You mentioned people who were molested as children who "become" gay as they get older; I think that's true but at the same time I think those people are born gay and the trauma they went through simply made them despise the opposite sex. I mean, I know a few people who were molested by their fathers as children but they're still straight. How do you explain that? I think it's totally understandable that after something like that, that they would "become gay," but IF that was true, wouldn't they all be gay? Why would some still be straight, or even bisexual?

Originally Posted by StayYoung&Pretty

^I agree. There's no evidence that people are born gay though and lately I've seen alot more gay people than ever before which makes me think its a choice, a lifestyle.

Did you ever think that the reason you "see more" is because before it was completely against society? Now we're becoming more accepting of them, so of course, they're coming out. That doesn't mean they weren't gay the entire time. There were plenty of gay men years and years ago—but they pretended to be straight because they would probably be killed if they came out.

There's also "no proof" but there's no proof that they aren't either. All I know is that I know plenty of gay people who knew they were gay as a child, and they did not choose to be gay any more than a straight person chose to be straight. I think things can influence you in a way so that you ACT a certain way (such as two straight women making out for a man; or a gay man pretending to be straight and sleeping with women) but that doesn't mean that's who they TRULY are. That's my point.

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I don't think it's a matter of choice, it's just sexual preference. A purely hetero example would be the extremes of a woman being attracted to a 'metrosexual' looking man: excessively well groomed, manicures, veneers, etc. -or - a 'manly' man: grubby, unkempt, unshaven, etc....

Some women like the metrosexual EXCLUSIVELY and the idea of sex with a 'manly' man repulsive - some prefer the opposite. And some, are willing to swing either way, depending on the man in question.

It's odd to me that gender plays such an important role in sexuality, its a strange thing in our society.

[southernbelle]

I found some interesting research from twin studies in which they examined homosexual and heterosexual twins.

Twin studies have become a highly debated area of experimentation. Ernest Kallman conducted the earliest twin study. He found a 100% concordance between monozygotic (or identical) twins (MZ), and only a 12% concordance for dizygotic (or fraternal) twins (DZ). Although discredited with methodological problems, the early experiment paved the way for a much-publicized team to conduct their twin studies.

J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard also studied the gayness between MZ twins, DZ twins, and non-related adopted brothers. They examined how many of the sample population examined were gay and how many were straight. They found that 52% of MZ twins were both self-identified homosexuals, 22% of DZ twins were so, and only 5% of non-related adopted brothers were so. This evidence, repeated and found to be true a second time, showed to the biological camp that the more closely genetically linked a pair is, the more likely they both are to exhibit gay or straight tendencies. Later experimenters found similar evidence in females.

Source: http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

[Raspberry gashes]

For some reason I think Drew Barrymore is a lesbian. And Geri Halliwell. So I'm adding them to my suspected list.