Big gay John Travolta kisses man on the lips - Page 4

Icepik · August 31st, 2006, 05:39 PM

This is what I am saying..

I have a cousin who is gay. He exhibits no signs of being gay - there is absolutely no gay vibe about him. I only know because he trusted me with that information.

We are of strict, Italian, Roman Catholic descent. At family gatherings, he comes with a girl. He talks about marriage and wanting kids. He's your typical GUY. However, when he's not around his family and goes back to Toronto, he's the man he truly is.

Its sad in a way, but he doesn't make it out like that. Some people can't accept homosexuality. He continues to go to church and continues to pretend he's straight. All he wants is to be left alone in his own private life.

He doesn't have the paparazzi following him, trying to 'out' him... I cant even imagine how devastating that would be. If and when he wants to come out is when he should. If a gay man doesn't want to..no one should make him. He's not doing anyone any harm.

John Travolta obviously does not want to come out of that closet; no one should do it for him. Even if his religion is crackpot to us.. its not to him. That is what is important here. What he believes in, not what we believe in.

This is obviously just my opinion.

Palermo · August 31st, 2006, 06:10 PM

I'm Italian and Roman Catholic as well. All I can say about your cousin is that I hope he is not deceiving these women into thinking they are in a normal relationship when they are clearly not. And I truly hope he doesn't decide to get married and pretend to be straight cause that would be even worse.

I have a friend who is also Catholic, her first husband married her and they stayed married for ten YEARS before he admitted he wanted to have a sex change. Ron is now Veronica. My friend had a nervous breakdown while all this was going on. Now that was really really wrong of him to cause all that heartache.

Sojiita · August 31st, 2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Icepik

This is what I am saying..

I have a cousin who is gay. He exhibits no signs of being gay - there is absolutely no gay vibe about him. I only know because he trusted me with that information.

We are of strict, Italian, Roman Catholic descent. At family gatherings, he comes with a girl. He talks about marriage and wanting kids. He's your typical GUY. However, when he's not around his family and goes back to Toronto, he's the man he truly is.

Its sad in a way, but he doesn't make it out like that. Some people can't accept homosexuality. He continues to go to church and continues to pretend he's straight. All he wants is to be left alone in his own private life.

He doesn't have the paparazzi following him, trying to 'out' him... I cant even imagine how devastating that would be. If and when he wants to come out is when he should. If a gay man doesn't want to..no one should make him. He's not doing anyone any harm.

John Travolta obviously does not want to come out of that closet; no one should do it for him. Even if his religion is crackpot to us.. its not to him. That is what is important here. What he believes in, not what we believe in.

This is obviously just my opinion.

Your cousin is perpetrating a private and public fraud. It is lying and deceitful for him to pretend to be straight around family..it denigrates him and those family members who 'supposedly' love him. There is no way he can be living this 'double life' and be really happy unless he is some sort of sociopath. He lives the way he does because he is forced to. You have no idea of the emotional toll that 'pretending to be straight' has on gay people. You only know what he chooses to tell you. To any reasonable observer, this man is doing what he is doing because he has no choice given that he believes that neither his family, nor his church, would accept him for the person he truly is. He is simply choosing one painful path over another-choosing the pain of living a lie around his family, to the pain of being who he really is and loosing the love and respect of his family and his church. Open your eyes!

And as for Travolta..he believes in, gives money to, and supports a 'religion' that is actively harmful to gay people. He would be worthy of scorn for this regardless of his own sexuality. Given his sexuality, he is a hypocrite, a liar, and is most reprehensible for his actions that support discrimination against other gay people. What he believes in is the important thing-and what he believes in is giving money and support to the discrimination against gay people..and us gays have every right to bust his ass for doing it.

Icepik · August 31st, 2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Palermo

I'm Italian and Roman Catholic as well. All I can say about your cousin is that I hope he is not deceiving these women into thinking they are in a normal relationship when they are clearly not. And I truly hope he doesn't decide to get married and pretend to be straight cause that would be even worse.

I have a friend who is also Catholic, her first husband married her and they stayed married for ten YEARS before he admitted he wanted to have a sex change. Ron is now Veronica. My friend had a nervous breakdown while all this was going on. Now that was really really wrong of him to cause all that heartache.

No, no.. all the women he brings to family functions know he's gay - their friends of his - they also know about our strict family. They come guised as his interest and get a good Italian meal out of it...lol.

CherryDarling · August 31st, 2006, 06:19 PM

Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, is this a money shot or what????!?!?!

If I were that photographer, I'd be hiring some big bodyguards...$cientologists scare me. Gotta wonder how much that photo went for.

Sojiita · August 31st, 2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Icepik

No, no.. all the women he brings to family functions know he's gay - their friends of his - they also know about our strict family. They come guised as his interest and get a good Italian meal out of it...lol.

Great. He gets women to 'go along with' his lie that he presents to his 'strict'(meaning unaccepting) family. How proud you must be that they participate in the lie with him. 'They come guised as his interest and get a good Italian meal out fo it..."..so..they basically help perpetrate a lie and deception... for food..great women these must be.

*too bad these women don't have the self esteem to say, "sorry..but I am not going to be your beard".*

Icepik · August 31st, 2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojiita

Your cousin is perpetrating a private and public fraud. It is lying and deceitful for him to pretend to be straight around family..it denigrates him and those family members who 'supposedly' love him. There is no way he can be living this 'double life' and be really happy unless he is some sort of sociopath. He lives the way he does because he is forced to. You have no idea of the emotional toll that 'pretending to be straight' has on gay people. You only know what he chooses to tell you. To any reasonable observer, this man is doing what he is doing because he has no choice given that he believes that neither his family, nor his church, would accept him for the person he truly is. He is simply choosing one painful path over another-choosing the pain of living a lie around his family, to the pain of being who he really is and loosing the love and respect of his family and his church. Open your eyes!

And as for Travolta..he believes in, gives money to, and supports a 'religion' that is actively harmful to gay people. He would be worthy of scorn for this regardless of his own sexuality. Given his sexuality, he is a hypocrite, a liar, and is most reprehensible for his actions that support discrimination against other gay people. What he believes in is the important thing-and what he believes in is giving money and support to the discrimination against gay people..and us gays have every right to bust his ass for doing it.

Trust me - he and I have had discussions on this. He's matter of fact about the entire thing. He's moved away from home and is living his own private life. He doesn't feel the need to walk into a family gathering and claim to be gay. He barely shrugs a shoulder at the thought. Discussion his sexuality and lying to his parents gets the same reaction he would give me about how his day went. "Oh, well" is his attitude.

You would have to sit amoungst these old world Italians to really know what I mean. They aren't 'bad' people, just ignorant. His parents would never have a heart to heart with him about his sexuality. As he himself put it, to come out now, to two 75+ parents? Why? So they can live the remainder of their days not understand this?

Trust me, it really doesn't bother him. It used to, when he was living in the same town as the rest of us (his teenage years), but now he's not. He's out there living his own life and once a year he comes home for a family gathering sometimes with a woman and some times alone. And who knows, maybe after his parents die, he'll stand up at the family table and say "I'M GAY!!"... but until then - and this was my point from the beginning - NO ONE should do that for him.

As for John Travolta, I just don't know - I think he's living his own personal hell torn between who he is and who he wants to be.

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Originally Posted by Sojiita

Great. He gets women to 'go along with' his lie that he presents to his 'strict'(meaning unaccepting) family. How proud you must be that they participate in the lie with him. 'They come guised as his interest and get a good Italian meal out fo it..."..so..they basically help perpetrate a lie and deception... for food..great women these must be.

*too bad these women don't have the self esteem to say, "sorry..but I am not going to be your beard".*

Proud? I said nothing about being proud. I accept what he does where his family is concerned. I am not going to look a 37 year old man in the face and tell him what to do - that is for him and him alone to do... if and when he wants. I respect his wishes. I am not there to dictate his life. I am there for him unconditionally. It's his life - not mine. I stand behind him - no matter what he does.

Self esteem? If these women knew he was gay and thought of this as an actual date, then I could see an issue. They are doing something for a friend of theirs. Are you telling me you have never gone anywhere with a female friend? Its not like they stand around groping one another, screaming "LOOK AT US". They walk in together, he introduces her by name, they chat, they eat, they leave. That's it.

Sojiita · August 31st, 2006, 06:46 PM

Well I do understand about the older parents..I was faced with a similar situation myself with a 90+ year old grandmother..with parents who were begging me to go along with the straight thing cause' it would kill her'. I felt manipulated and conflicted..but I went along with what they wanted. I was not happy about it however..it was IMO at that time the best decision-there was no decison involved that would have been satisfactory IMO though. Generally I do think that people who are happy or satisfied with comfortable lies rather than uncomfortable truths are people who are not to be admired or emulated, but rather people to be pitied.

Raspberry gashes · August 31st, 2006, 07:52 PM

Does Kelly Preston even do ANYTHING anymore? Except show up at events and claim to be happily married and totally in love? I figure a beard would get a nice paycheck. If I got to have a relationsip with another man at the same time, I would be a gay actor's beard, no worries.

ediebrooks · August 31st, 2006, 09:30 PM

He's gay. Straight guys never kiss each other on the lips. They shake hands, or if it's a special occasion, they might do the the manly hug thing.

Raspberry gashes · August 31st, 2006, 09:32 PM

I agree, straight guys dont kiss on the lips.

mtlebay · August 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimmlok

totally GHEY.

No man kisses another man on the lips, be they euro or not. Euro = both cheeks, a la continental style. Hell, they do that in Quebec, Canada.

Not even in Quebec. Here hetero guys + hetero guys will shake hands. Girls + guys and girls + girls will kiss on both sides of the cheek. The gay men kiss on both sides of the cheek here.

ETA: My friend works in the movie industry says it's a known insider's secret that Travolta is gay and has a penchant for young, teenage boys (he told me long before I read of the rumors on the internet) .

ediebrooks · August 31st, 2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAntiParis

Does Kelly Preston even do ANYTHING anymore? Except show up at events and claim to be happily married and totally in love? I figure a beard would get a nice paycheck. If I got to have a relationsip with another man at the same time, I would be a gay actor's beard, no worries.

Maybe she's allowed to have boy-toys on the side. Then, like you said, being a beard would not be such a bad deal.

Delphinium · August 31st, 2006, 09:40 PM

Hey, she gets the money and kids. not a bad deal.

Palermo · August 31st, 2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Icepik

No, no.. all the women he brings to family functions know he's gay - their friends of his - they also know about our strict family. They come guised as his interest and get a good Italian meal out of it...lol.

I'd come for that too! Glad to hear it