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    Read the whole thing, and thats why I feel the need to chip in. Soem people talked about the clothes, the rest talked about how "gross" all the girls are. I think that the arguments here seem very one sided.

    Really, get mad at Anna Wintour, or Karl Lagerfeld.

    Why is it im being attacked for standing up for skinny people?? When women go on about feeding them chheseburgers and them being gross its perfectly acceptable? Is that really fair???
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    Well, I'm not going to waste my time by begging you to change your mind about this. But I'll repeat myself one last time - our problem is the current standards of the industry. If you don't *get* that, um, not to be insulting, but there's no point in discussing this with you.
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    Then why is everyone calling the girls gross and talking about feeding them and ripping them apart? Why not take a stand on the industry??? Like I said, do you even know who designs for Dior or who casts the models? Pick on them, not the girls. Besides, this is a discussion forum, I thought opinions were welcomed...
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    Look, all I did was ask for an explanation of the "extreme genetics" comment, and I get this UM NOT TRYING TO BE INSULTING bullshit from you, in this condescending "maybe you don't know this" kind of way. Apparently, you are tall & naturally thin, and you identify with some of these girls and maybe you've caught some flak for that but the fact is that regular people do not find painfully thin people to be attractive. Sorry. And while you clearly would prefer that we focus our comments solely on the designers who hire these models, we are LOOKING AT THE MODELS, and we comment on them. We do not like the look of starvation. And we do not like the industry standards that tell us that this is beautiful, and this is what we should strive to achieve.

    I think you're being hypocritical here. If these girls are just naturally emaciated, why on earth should anyone denounce the industry's preference for them? If eastern Europe is filled with girls who look like they haven't eaten in a month, but they really just can't help it, why not push to have this body type accepted? If it's so common & natural, why should we not accept it as beautiful?
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    Hey, I never said anything about this being an accepable beauty standard, I never said I advocate extremes as role models for beauty...I am just saying, maybe the hateful comments are misguided......and as you repeatedly keep saying....perhaps they aren't "starving" themselves, maybe they have unusual genes.......


    Funny how someone like Beth Ditto, who is arguably unhealthy- gets praised or sympathised with, but the other extreme is so terrible....

    Besides, this whole rant really is just my defending the fact that there is such a thing as extreme genetics.

    PS, I think you are being very aggressive by continually calling these girls "emaciated" or "starving".....I am just saying....thats a bit unfair...what if they don't starve??

    I never advocated these girls, I was just posing an argument for them.

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    So you are not saying that this look is natural? And since it's natural, it's not fair to criticize it?

    This argument makes no sense.

    They're victims of extreme genetics, and they don't starve themselves, so we shouldn't criticize them. But we should criticize the industry that gives jobs to these natural non-starving girls.

    Wtf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geisha View Post
    No. Um, I am going to do my best to try to not be insulting.....but, if you haven't noticed...people from different parts of the world look different. Perhaps that has escaped you. You do not see many central American supermodels because, well, their genes prescribe them to be shorter and have more curves.

    Same with, say, Native Alaskans. Have you seen many native alaskan supermodels....or maybe Cambodian....have you seen many Cambodian supermodels???? No. That is because due to their climate, their climate and genes, they are smaller and not exactly model material.

    Because Eastern European, Russian women have genetic predispositions to be extremely tall, or thin, they are saught out....due to their extreme genes...to be models. And yes, you are insulting the girls by calling them disgustiong etc. ....Call Karl Lagerfeld disgusting for hiring them.........


    And Thank you Arie Skop for not being a bandwagon hater.


    I'm very sorry, but I thought this was a discussion, clearly it is a venue to just rip people new assholes.

    That's cool. I didn't realise there was a debate going on here. I assumed we were just discussing today's models and the current look.

    IMO it's the designers and industry fault that these girls are so thin. Afterall they are the ones hiring and paying the models to look a certian way.

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    If anyone actually buys that all these freaky, gross looking bitches could (and do) eat Big Macs every day and still look like this then I have a bridge to sell them.

    If there exist any women who could still look this sickly even eating a calorie riddled, high fat fast food diet, then I genuinely feel sorry for them. The entire point is that natural or not, they are not sexy in the least. And it's weird to me and most normal, non-ana-worshipping people people to see girls (not women, as most of them aren't even of age yet) who look like prepubescent, underfed concentration camp victims stretched out on a rack as "sexy" or any kind of ideal of feminine beauty for that matter.
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    See??? Thats my point!!!!!

    Whay is NOT okay to call morbidly obese people who are genetically predisposed to their ridiculous size, and need gastric bypass or something to ever lose weight FAT? That is mean or insensitive!

    Why is it cool though to call 15 year old girl with crazy metabolisms disgusting? Concentration camp victims?

    And about your calorie assesment Mrs Dark, since you are clearly a doctor, geneticist or nutritionist...can you explain to me why 15 year old boys can drink protein shakes, raw eggs, eat whole pizzas and drink 10 mountain dews and don't become morbidly obese? I would suggest a youthful metabolism...but clearly you are the expert.

    I have said it repeatedly, I never said these girl were role models and I made no attempt ever to attack anyone on here, and tried to issue a disclaimer to try to not insult anyone, but man you guys are really uncool. I am sorry I posed the possibility of an altererior side to the story for you to consider.

    So, go ahead, pick on some girl who came from some shitty place in Russia and say brutal things about her. Don't stop at calling her skinny, by all means call her the most insulting thing you can possibly think of. Because that is really awesome.

    I just can't believe my input would be so offensive!
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    Your sarcasm is charming. I shall revel in my uncoolness.

    I am not "misguided" or "hateful". I am not a "bandwagon hater". I am not ripping "people new assholes". However, there is no way in hell that I find those models attractive. They look unhealthy because they are unhealthy. I've been to eastern Europe and it is not populated by people who could play concentration camp extras in a WW2 film. There is no such thing as "extreme genetics" at play here. Yes, teenagers can be skinny as they go through growth spurts yet what is seen on the runways now is not normal, healthy slenderness. They have absolutely no muscle tone whatsoever. They look tired and dead inside. They have dark circles under their eyes. They are ugly and unpleasant to look at.
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    1) beth ditto is a fucking whale. she got more chins than chinatown.

    2) stickbug models are fucking Ana starvation freaks. They're starved by the industry they work in. 90% of them are wasted of muscle and bodyfat as a result. maybe 10% of them are naturally thin and have the metabolisms of hummingbirds.

    3) the camera adds 10 lbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geisha View Post
    And about your calorie assesment Mrs Dark, since you are clearly a doctor, geneticist or nutritionist...can you explain to me why 15 year old boys can drink protein shakes, raw eggs, eat whole pizzas and drink 10 mountain dews and don't become morbidly obese? I would suggest a youthful metabolism...but clearly you are the expert.
    because they're still growing at a breakneck pace and their metabolisms run hot. Also, they tend to be pretty active. I was one of these. I was an exception.
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    see, exceptions.

    There is such a thing!

    Hallelujah!

    no extreme genetics? What... everyone looks like Giselle? Midgets or little people aren't genetically extreme? African Pygmies arent extreme? 6'2 tall girls are normal? Yao Ming is normal? Did you ever take biology?

    For the one thousandth time, I never said I condone the "standard". Why is everyone so angry ?

    And for the person who has seen Eastern Europeans...congrats. I am Eastern European. I ate Mc Donalds my entire teen years and was skinny as a twig. It just is what it is.
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    Nobody's angry but you. The models are still deeply unattractive.
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    And here, read this.

    Eastern European Models take over London Fashion Week - PSFK.com

    There ia a link to a New York Post article about this. I'm really not making this up.
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    I don't get all the vitriol in this thread, but I agree with whoever said (I lost track of who's said what here) it's really up to the people that hire these models. The major fashion houses choose girls that look like this, and are the girls really going to turn down the job? Not their fault, exactly. I think the point has been lost along the way about who's feeding us messages about what beauty in the fashion world is supposed to be.
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