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    What I read and we probably already said was she got HIV from a former husband/lover and the meds kept it at bay but now the meds aren't working any longer and she has full blown AIDS.
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    Poor Aretha. Whatever is wrong with her, it looks bad. I hope she's feeling ok.
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    Well, if she felt as bad as she looks she wouldn't be able to stand up, let alone sing. So she's probably going to be around a while longer.

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    It's really complicated, but the rumor is that one day Aretha came home and caught Glynn in bed with her son (the one with all the drug problems and mental illness, who may or may not be a product of incest between Aretha and her father C.L. Franklin), and that is why they got divorced. I heard that when I was stationed in California - a DJ on the local R&B station even mentioned it!!! And my mother told me when I came home on leave!!! It spread like wildfire.

    Her and Glynn in happier times:
    Damn! Now that would make an epic Jerry Springer show.
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    ^She has a group of back-up vocalists who sing most of the songs and drown her out during the chorus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BITTER View Post
    ^^^C.L. Franklin was allegedly, by many accounts, a sexual ogre! Especially teen girls and boys!! It seems odd that Aretha's mother would leave her in his custody. There are even rumors of orgies in his churc Mom swears she ordered enough food for five people and ate most of it!! Chicken, ribs beans and rice, cornbread, massive amounts of food. Mom said she got a wing - 'Retha didn't like to share.
    Not four fried chickens and a coke?
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    ^^^She ate that in the car ride back to the hotel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWBL View Post
    ^She has a group of back-up vocalists who sing most of the songs and drown her out during the chorus.
    Really, and people pay for that?
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    ^I had a similar discussion on a Barbra Streisand forum. I'm a fan of hers but could never have imagined Streisand would go on stage - as she does now - with a cracking, hoarse, voice, yet she does. Barbra the perfectionist who could do thousands of retakes on recording ONE word. Wow, did I get a backlash on that remark in a thread on her new concert tour! "She's never sounded better! Her voice has not changed a bit! If her voice changed at all, it only improved!" stuff like that from fans who apparently don't mind plunking down hundreds of dollars to listen to Streisand straining through her repertoire. I'm thinking fans like that of Streisand, or Aretha for that matter, hear the most perfect performance or recording of their favorite artist in their heads, even when visiting a sub-par performance. And they just "want to be there" for the atmosphere; to be surrounded by similarly delusional co-fans.
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    It is not a rumor Aretha's father, Rev. C.L. Franklin, was a pedophile. Before Aretha was even born there was scandal when Rev. Franklin got a 12 year old girl in his congregation, Mildred Jennings, pregnant. Aretha was also 12 when she had her first baby and the rumors her daddy was the father have been around for decades. The whole Detroit gospel scene was a mess. There are all sorts of rumors about C.L.'s murder too (he was shot in a "robbery gone wrong").
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    ^^^Some have said that the shooting was revenge for him diddling someone's child.

    A review of the most recent unauthorized bio of her, called RESPECT. Apparently the author denies that her first child was her father's; it's allegedly his reputation as a borderline pedo made everyone think that.:

    Diva tantrums, an insatiable appetite for sex, spending and fried chicken - and an orgy-loving preacher for a father: The secret life of Aretha Franklin laid bare




    • New book, Respect, details the tantrums and addictions of singer who became soul's biggest star
    • Father who made her a star was preacher at gospel church where gay and straight orgies were commonplace, shocked witness Ray Charles revealed
    • Her first affair was aged just 12 and there were false rumors a baby she had that year was her father's, so notorious was his reputation
    • She was furious at rivals including Diana Ross and Barbra Streisand - and threw a tantrum when Beyonce described Tina Turner as 'The Queen'
    • Author wrote her authorized biography 15 years ago but now wants world to know the full story




    She is the Queen of Soul, whose hits Respect and (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman define the sound of an era. Aretha Franklin has won 18 Grammies, topped chart after chart and was the first woman to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But behind the Queen of Soul’s public façade lies an ice queen and grand diva hiding ferocious insecurities, a new book discloses. Throughout her life, she tortured her sisters, her brother, producers and managers with her tantrums, rage and jealousies.


    Queen of Soul: Aretha Franklin pictured in the late 1960s, when she was at the height of her fame and success. Her hits including Respect had
    made her a star - but behind the image was a troubled relationship with a notorious Detroit pimp and an appetite for sex, feuds and food which at times threatened to overwhelm her




    Troubled: Aretha Franklin poses in 1961 with her new husband and manager, Ted White. She was 12 when they first met and they married when
    she was 19. In fact White was also a pimp and used his prostitutes' earnings to invest in her career. Their marriage was abusive and unhappy


    She fabricated stories about mystery lovers and released those stories to the press just to keep her name in print. And perhaps most complicatedly of all, she came from a home where her father was a promiscuous gospel preacher whose church was a front for orgies which Ray Charles was to describe as a ‘sex circus’. So questionable was his behavior that when Franklin became pregnant at the age of just 12 – her sexuality apparently awakened by the scene her father promoted - that rumors swirled around Detroit that the preacher was the father to her child. In fact, he was not, but it was a reflection of his reputation rather than his daughter's that the rumors even surfaced. Writer David Ritz, co-author of Aretha’s white-washed autobiography fifteen years ago, decided that it was time the truth be told about the Queen’s life and work in RESPECT, by David Ritz, published by Little, Brown and Company, October 28. It details the rise of the girl born in 1942 in Memphis to C.L. Franklin and his wife Barbara, and who moved when she was four to Detroit with her parents, two sisters and brother. He set up shop at the New Bethel Baptist Church, at 4210 Hastings Street, and his daughter became a child prodigy in the gospel church. By age seven, she could play big chords on the piano, church chords, and play a song perfectly after hearing it once. Hastings Street is ground zero for the Aretha Franklin story, David Ritz writes.‘It was the point where Saturday night merged into Sunday morning and sin met salvation at the crossroads of African American musical culture. High on the Holy Ghost, dancing in the aisles of New Bethel, the saints celebrated the love of Christ. 'High on wine and weed, the party people celebrated the love of the flesh’. It was saintly blues at night and bluesy gospel in the morning –the churches and the clubs were next to each other. Ray Charles, who began on the R&B circuit in the early fifties, ran into the gospel groups on the road. ‘When it came to pure heart singing, they were mother*****s,’ he said. ‘When it came to pure sex, they were wilder than me – and that’s saying something. In those days I had a thing for orgies, but I had to be the only cat in the room with two or three chicks. ‘The gospel people didn't think that way. The cats liked it with the cats and the chicks liked it with the chicks and no one minded mixing it up this way or that. I got a kick outta seeing how God's people were going for it hard and heavy in every way. I was just surprised to see how loose they were!" Musician and R&B, rock, soul and gospel singer, Billy Preston who backed Ray Charles, witnessed the scene. ‘It was the church crowd where the vibe was wide open,’ Preston stated. ‘It was anything goes. In the community outside the church, gay men were called sissies. But inside the church, a lot of the music was created by gay men. ‘In the church you were almost proud to be part of the gay elite of musicians.’ Detroit was the urban center in the forties and fifties that was the destination of southern blacks migrating in hopes of moving up economically as well as finding social mobility. Preacher man C.L. Franklin was an established star in the ministry and daughter Aretha became his partner, joining his traveling ministry at age twelve. Perhaps unsurprisingly given her father’s scene, she was sexually precocious - and thrilled to jump right into adulthood – with a passion for sex equaled by one for food. She was ecstatic about bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwiches and the great singer-songwriter Sam Cooke who crooned his way into her heart with ‘You Send Me’. She was so crazy about Sam she joined him in his motel room in Atlanta when she was twelve years old and he was twenty-three. Sam later said he enjoyed a lot more than Aretha’s voice.Two months before turning thirteen, she gave birth to a baby boy she named Clarence, after her dad. Rumors swirled that her own father was the father of her first child but it was Donald Burk, a guy she knew from school. Aretha had a second child before she was fifteen by Edward Jordan, described by her brother as just a player. Both children would take the last name of Franklin and be raised in the Franklin home. Aretha was driven into the arms of multiple lovers not only by the Holy Ghost music making/sex scene but also by her insecurities after her own mother, Barbara Siggers left C.L. because of his promiscuity and moved back to Memphis in 1948. The poignancy of that event, as well as C.L.’s many women who followed Siggers' exit, impacted Aretha more than it did her sisters, Erma and Carolyn. She never accepted the loss of her mother and mother figures and began idealizing the relationship of her own father and mother as being perfect. She was the only child in the family to drop out of school – introducing more insecurity into her feelings. ‘She wanted to make it as a pop singer in the worst way…and lose her identification as a church singer’, her brother Cecil told Ritz. Her ambition drove her into the arms of the slickest pimp in Detroit, Ted White, who had women as lovers, whores and singers. He viewed her as his ticket to a bigger bank account and became her husband and manager. He introduced her to reefer and wine while molding her into a lady. One of White’s working girls told Ritz that White used her earnings to finance Aretha’s early career. White got Aretha a record deal but the relationship was only based on using each other. C.L. Franklin had been a rock, always protecting his little girl, but not White, who was a scary character. Aretha had a baby boy with White but that didn’t change the relationship. When things were really bad, she went home to Daddy. Her big hit, ‘Respect’ topped the pop charts in April 1967 but her fairy tale dream that her father had promised her imploded. She was miserable with White and they both started drinking heavily. Aretha was smoking up to three packs of Kool cigarettes a days and getting loaded before performing – ‘using booze to numb the pain of her lousy marriage’, longtime booking agent and friend Ruth Bowen stated; ‘Liquor was just making her sloppy.’ At a gig in Columbus, Georgia, in May 1967 she fell off the stage and broke her arm saying she had been blinded by the stage lights. Bowen knew it was caused by alcohol. Now, not showing up for studio recording dates became her standard operating procedure. ‘Everyone knew that Ted White was a brutal man’,sister-in-law Earline – married to her brother Cecil - told Ritz. ‘But Aretha…she’s always clung to this fairy-tale story line. She wanted the world to think she had a storybook marriage. She was having all those hits and making all that money. She was scared of rocking the boat, until one day the boat capsized and she nearly drowned’. She was drinking so much we thought she was on the verge of a breakdown,’ her sister Carolyn said. She showed up at the studio looking like she had been beaten. She was locked in an abusive marriage and thought her husband could ruin her career. She finally kicked White to the curb but didn’t quit eating compulsively or drinking. By the end of 1968, it was out of control. Airplane landings after throwing back the booze until she was drunk as a skunk traumatized her. She had to be taken off the plane by the rear exit to avoid reporters. Men saw her as high maintenance with big demands. ‘She was the Queen of Soul – and I think at times she saw her boyfriends like her servants,’ tenor and lead singer of the Temptations, Dennis Edwards – one of her lovers - stated. She got her drinking under control in the seventies with the help of her road manager, Ken Cunningham and was pregnant again. After moving in with Cunningham, she continued to see Dennis Edwards. Now under the wing of uber-producer Jerry Wexler, she still lacked fundamental business sense. She didn’t show up for concert dates and had to pay the venues. The pressure got to her and her brother Cecil hospitalized her ‘in a hospital somewhere in remote Connecticut’ – for nervous exhaustion. She’d rest up and be out there recording and singing again and then back in the hospital. ‘She was afraid she wasn’t good enough as a singer, pretty enough as a woman, or devoted enough as a mother. I don’t know what to call it but deep, deep insecurity.’ her sister Carolyn said. ‘Her style was to either drink away the anxiety or, when that stopped working, disappear for a while, find her bearings, and go right back onstage and wear the crown of the impervious diva.’ The 1970s introduced her fear of flying as well as her outrageous gowns. She tried to bury rumors about going crazy and having breakdowns by using Jet Magazine to clean up her image, something she had done for decades. She was able to kick alcohol in the Seventies - and has never gone back to it - but not her food addiction. Sugar, bread and fried chicken were high on her ‘eat more’ list and she did. ‘Girlfriend was fat!' stated Ruth Bowen, her booking agent. Her other weakness was her ego: Aretha became so jealous when Roberta Flack and soul singer Donny Hathaway sang duets together, she fumed about being on the same record label with Flack. She saw Barbra Streisand as competition. She had the same reaction to Diana Ross when Ross played Billie Holiday in Lady Sings the Blues. She was feeling outdone by these other women. Aretha was infuriated when Natalie Cole became a star in 1975 ending Aretha’s eight-year Grammy streak and winning best female rhythm-and blue vocal performance with This Will Be (an Everlasting Love). But it was females period that Aretha didn’t like.She couldn’t maintain a relationship with another woman and cut off any possible friendship, immediately putting them on her ‘s*** list’. Aretha was convinced that Mavis Staples, Gladys Knight, Diana Ross were all after her throne. When singer Luther Vandross was tapped to produce an album for the Queen of Soul in 1981, he had a gold record with 'Never Too Much' which he wrote, arranged and produced. Aretha called him at home and addressed him as Mr. Vandross. 'The Aretha I had heard throughout my entire childhood on the radio -- warm and down-home -- wasn't the Aretha I heard on the phone.' He got the producing gig that began with the same formality. 'But instead of calling me Mr Vandross, she changed it to Vandross.' He was to call her Miss Franklin. She feuded with Luther Vandross because she was bored and enjoyed a verbal catfight with a big star. ‘Falling-outs are her specialty,’ said Ruth Bowen. Money became a central fear in her life when she continued to cancel performance dates at the last minute. She was also taking care of her father who had been in a coma for six years after being shot by an intruder. Aretha ended up kicking Ken to the curb in summer 1977 when she fell for movie star, Glynn Turman. She was attracted to Turman’s insider role in the movie industry as well as being an acting teacher. She wanted both. They married in April 1978 but that did not last long, although Aretha put out the story that it was still picture perfect. 'Aretha gets up every day and starts creating her own reality,' Ruth Bowen stated. 'Because she is who she is - a queen -she can call in that reality to the press. And they'll usually buy it. 'At the same time, she's trying to sell herself that reality. But, believe me, honey, her reality ain't real. 'I don't care what she was telling Ebony about her happy home life, I knew it was just a matter of time.' Their divorce was finalized in February 1984. She was lonely, unhappy and becoming hooked on soap operas with her day revolving around The Young and The Restless. ‘At some point she started seeing her love life like a soap opera. She began writing a soap opera script – just making up s***, fantasizing about men and relationships that never existed. That became a new pattern for her – making up stories about these beautiful love affairs that happened only in her mind,’ Bowen said. ‘She takes her suffering and turns it into anger,’ brother Cecil said. ‘It’s all about diva drama. It’s hard for her to deal with extreme sadness and loss. Rather than deal, she acts out. She goes to rage. Rage without reason. It’s crazy’. Their father always broke up family fights but with him gone July 1984 after five years in a coma, Aretha was more frightened than ever. She fired almost everyone who worked for her. It was an endless cycle of booking concert dates when she was broke and canceling. ‘If Queen Elizabeth gets to be queen for the duration of her life, why not Queen Aretha,’ she told sister Erma. Her brother Cecil was into heavy drug addiction when their sister Carolyn died from breast cancer in 1988. He admitted that his father and siblings had all operated in a world of stimulants. ‘Whether it’s wine, whiskey or weed, the stuff has always been around us.’ When, in 1987, Anita Baker beat out Aretha for best R&B vocal performance for ‘Jumpin’ Jack Flash,’ that set off Aretha. In 1989 Aretha sang a duet with Whitney Houston (It Isn’t, It Wasn’t, It Ain’t Never Gonna Be) that didn’t sell well. Whitney’s side of the story was Aretha ‘entered the studio as Queen Aretha, the original diva’. Whitney was the biggest music star in the world at the time and excited to be with Aretha who remained cold and aloof. But Aretha’s verdict was withering: ‘Whitney lacked [her] wisdom and maturity as a recording artist’. And most recently, at the 2008 Grammy Awards Aretha was miffed when Beyonce introduced Tina Turner as ‘the Queen’, a title Aretha jealously guarded. She never backed off of being haughty and cold, an imperious queen. ‘Her fantasy is to eliminate the competition’, sister Erma said. Salvation was to come not from the music scene, or her family – but when Bill Clinton put her back on top by asking her to sing the national anthem at the 1992 Democratic National Convention. Aretha's older half brother Vaughn told Ritz. 'Once he was elected, he never forgot her. He put her back on the throne. He helped keep her in the newspapers.' He also invited her to the White House and official functions, and she was booked into Carnegie Hall as a result - but still up to her old bad spending ways. When she decided to fly to Toronto to see Diahann Carroll in Sunset Boulevard in 1996, she ordered a mink coat for the trip north that was so big it required a ticket of its own. Saks Fifth Avenue served her with a lawsuit for long overdue bills that amounted to more than $262,000 for sables and shoes. More than thirty lawsuits were filed against her for nonpayment of bills. There were plumbers, florists, caterers and a limousine service after her money. Sex seemed to have faded as a driving force – but one appetite remained unchanged. She turned to eating as old friends died - particularly fried chicken - and stoically survived pancreatic cancer in 2010. ‘In her troubled mind, control is the antidote to fear,’ writes Ritz. ‘She hires, fires and rehires…she cannot relinquish control’. ‘Her methods of denial have been perfected over a lifetime. ‘In the annals of our magnificent music, there is only one Queen of Soul. ‘She can go into her diva act and turn off the world. But on any given night, when that lady sits down at the piano and gets her body and soul all over some righteous song, she’ll scare the shit out of you’, Billy Preston said. ‘And you’ll know – you’ll swear—that she’s still the best f*****’ singer this f****d up country every produced’. To buy Respect: The Life of Aretha Franklin by David Ritz go to Amazon (I didn't post all the photos - BITTER)


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    I love her so much. One of the most beautiful voices ever. I hope she isn't suffering.
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    She is looking mighty ill. Her breasts aren’t even breasts anymore, it’s just skin.I never heard about her with HIV. Damn, going to Google some Aretha articles.
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    ....shocked witness Ray Charles revealed....
    Orgies so shocking even a blind man could see them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkbunnyslippers View Post
    She is looking mighty ill. Her breasts aren’t even breasts anymore, it’s just skin.I never heard about her with HIV. Damn, going to Google some Aretha articles.
    Seeing as breasts are mainly fat that's what happens with extreme weight loss. Don't ask me how I know. (tennis balls in tube socks over here.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Orgies so shocking even a blind man could see them!
    And Ray himself was a straight up DOG!!! Like one of his backup singers said, "Chile, if you wanted to be a Raylette, you had to let Ray!"!
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