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    Who's up for a dirty martini??? Jin needs to relax.

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    This thread reminds me of Marie Antoinette and her befuddlement at why the starving peasants just couldn't eat cake...

    Course, we all know what happened to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeyotch View Post
    This thread reminds me of Marie Antoinette and her befuddlement at why the starving peasants just couldn't eat cake...

    Course, we all know what happened to her.
    True.Seriously,some people need to get a fucking clue.I'm sorry to those going through a hard time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    1) and I'm sure they his employees were exstatic for him when he awarded himself $0.5m bonus, too.
    2) It wasn't an insunuation, it was a question. And I stand by my comment about that since this is the case I'm surprised that you're not nicer to Waitresses/Air hostesses/ etc. But maybe you're fortunate enough not to have to work with the general public.
    Uhh... what are you talking about????

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    southernbelle, if your father is not one of those CEOs who used taxpayer money to have expensive parties or buy another private jet, then why should you or your father care? It's your father's responsibility to be a considerate employer. If he hasn't been conscientious with his company's finances, then he should pay the consequences. Otherwise let him chill and enjoy being an exception to the stereotype and take in all the praise that will come his way.

    And Obama didn't set up the stereotype of evil CEOs. I think you're blaming him because he's more liberal than you. There are plenty of conservatives who are furious at greedy CEOs too. They just happen to be a lot poorer than you or your father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin13 View Post
    Thanks Albatross for this. I have been reading this thread and have been alternating between crying and screaming with anger! I am one of those that have worked my way up the corporate ladder all by myself. I came from a very mid level income family, my dad was a butcher and my mom stayed home to raise us until we were in high school. I went to college with no idea what I wanted to do with my life, and somehow moved up as a single mom, to middle income myself. I have worked in the medical industry for 7 years then moved on to the software side of things.
    I started at $20,000. a year when I divorced my son's father and moved up to almost $80,000 in less then 10 years. I have been the person that has had to sit in the CEO's office and explain to him/her what exactly it is that we do and how it works, and why we do it and how it will help each practice that we are/will target.
    Can I also add that I have been laid off 3 times in almost 9 years! Each time with the exception of this last one, I have dusted myself off and went out and interviewed and fought for the next postion. You want to talk about self sufficent??????
    I did it... I have been there. No one helped me. No one cared when the CEO DIDN'T get the sponsership, when the investers started backing out... he still got his bonus.... WE all got the pink slips. We, the worker bees that kept the company going, made the sales and created the productes... got laid off.
    This time I am not so lucky. There are no jobs out there for what I do. Sure, I thought, I will go work at the mall.... guess what?? NO JOBS even at the mall! I am making ends meet, thankfully, by collecting unemployment and I will continue to collect unemployment until I can find a job that will pay me at least that amount without constant travel!
    Sorry, but I am so angry now I know the spelling is horrible!

    Time for a drink....
    You're welcome. I've been feeling the same. I am so tired of hearing about how bad the poor CEOs have it.

    So far I haven't been laid off, but more 25% of my group has been, and those of left behind are stressed out and overworked. There are lay offs in the company every month, so we're constantly waiting for the ax to fall. Cold calls from managers these days tend to send people's blood pressure through the roof, so my manager always sends email to let us know that he'll be calling and it's not about a layoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elyse View Post
    southernbelle, if your father is not one of those CEOs who used taxpayer money to have expensive parties or buy another private jet, then why should you or your father care? It's your father's responsibility to be a considerate employer. If he hasn't been conscientious with his company's finances, then he should pay the consequences. Otherwise let him chill and enjoy being an exception to the stereotype and take in all the praise that will come his way.

    And Obama didn't set up the stereotype of evil CEOs. I think you're blaming him because he's more liberal than you. There are plenty of conservatives who are furious at greedy CEOs too. They just happen to be a lot poorer than you or your father.
    It worries me because I fear it could lead to a situation where they're capping all CEOs' salaries, whether they've fucked over their companies or not. Or for that matter, capping all salaries... setting ranges for minimum and maximum earnings for various types of jobs, such as teacher, lawyer, doctor, etc. I just think it's a bad idea and I don't like the precedent it sets.

    I will admit I don't particularly like Obama, but I'm not blaming him because he's more liberal. I don't think he came up with the stereotype, but I do think he encourages it in stead of drawing attention to the fact that these crooked CEOs are only a small percentage of CEOs.

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    oh for gods sake, nobody does that. Not even "socialist" countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southernbelle View Post
    It worries me because I fear it could lead to a situation where they're capping all CEOs' salaries, whether they've fucked over their companies or not.

    WTF?!
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    And surely when they've f*ck up the companies, or been done for insider trading or frauded the stockholders, etc they deserve to not have these ENORMOUS bonuses.


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    It worries me because I fear it could lead to a situation where they're capping all CEOs' salaries, whether they've fucked over their companies or not.

    While they can vote themselves a half million dollars bonus I'm sure that they will still take advantage of this situation...... Plus they'll get around it by taking stock options or "in kind" or some other way.
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    They can have their bonuses, if they use their own company's money to do it.

    Begging for welfare and using THAT to pad their wallets is unconscionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    And surely when they've f*ck up the companies, or been done for insider trading or frauded the stockholders, etc they deserve to not have these ENORMOUS bonuses.


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    It worries me because I fear it could lead to a situation where they're capping all CEOs' salaries, whether they've fucked over their companies or not.

    While they can vote themselves a half million dollars bonus I'm sure that they will still take advantage of this situation...... Plus they'll get around it by taking stock options or "in kind" or some other way.
    If they really have fucked over their companies, they shouldn't be getting huge bonuses. But I think telling them they can't receive a bonus unless the company is profiting and flat out capping their salaries are totally different things, and I think that while the former is appropriate, the latter is not.

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    and that is where we differ.


    Plus my SO is a director of a company, albeit a small company. HE takes a reasonable wage and ploughs the remaining profit back into the company to ensure that it will still be there in years to come as he employs staff that he feels responsible for. He doesn't get million dollar bonuses, he doesn't feel the need.
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    Um hello, these ARE THE COMPANIES THAT BEGGED FOR GOVERNMENT WELFARE. They are using money given to them to keep them functioning on ridiculous salaries and bonuses!

    How do ridiculous salaries and bonuses paid by tax welfare help keep the company afloat?

    THEY DON'T. it's practically theft.

    If they want ridiculous salaries and bonuses, then they should use THEIR OWN MONEY.. oh but they can't because they don't have any. That's why they're begging. Then they turn around and spend that money on making themselves more rich as opposed to using it to help the company not go under?

    Doesn't that seem WRONG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by southernbelle View Post
    If they really have fucked over their companies, they shouldn't be getting huge bonuses. But I think telling them they can't receive a bonus unless the company is profiting and flat out capping their salaries are totally different things, and I think that while the former is appropriate, the latter is not.
    If you agree to lend me money, wouldn't I have to abide by whatever conditions you, the lender, consider prudent? Like everyone has been saying, if they don't like the conditions of the loan, they can try to find someone else who will lend them money to fritter away.

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