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    Dobbs' Ratings Take A Hit Over "Birther" Controversy

    First Posted: 07-30-09 08:36 PM | Updated: 07-30-09 08:56 PM

    Backing the "Birthers" may be a good way to gain notoriety and attract criticism, but it's proving to be ratings poison for Lou Dobbs. The New York Observer's Felix Gillette crunches the numbers, and the bottom line is Dobbs is bottoming out:
    Mr. Dobbs' first began reporting on Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories on the night of Wednesday, July 15. In the roughly two weeks since then, from July 15 through July 28, Mr. Dobbs' 7 p.m. show on CNN has averaged 653,000 total viewers and 157,000 in the 25-54 demo.

    By contrast, during the first two weeks of the month (July 1 to July 14) Mr. Dobbs averaged 771,000 total viewers and 218,000 in the 25-54 demo. In other words, Mr. Dobbs' audience has decreased 15 percent in total viewers and 27 percent in the demo since the start of the controversy.
    Maybe this will get CNN President Jon Klein's attention. After initially attempting to put Dobbs' birther madness to bed in an email that read, "It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef," Klein has had to go on the defensive as Dobbs continued to merrily dig himself a hole. This past week, Klein, on a panel discussion at the Television Critics Association press tour, argued that Dobbs was beyond his control so long as he was using the forum of his radio show:
    We have no control over what he says on his radio show. It's not a CNN radio program so he does what he does on the radio separate from what he does on our air. So we ask you and anyone writing about this, to look at what he says on CNN. It's the only thing we control.
    Dobbs' radio ravings may be beyond Klein's reach, but now that CNN's ratings are trending ditchward, it's Klein's problem now.

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    I don't know if you guys saw it, but The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan published a chart on his blog today (The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan) that showed that the base of the birthers is in the south and almost completely among Republicans. The way the statistics tabulated, up to 58% of Republicans seem to believe there is some validity to the Birther claims.

    Sullivan thinks that as a result, mainstream Republican politicians are going to be leery of debunking the claims, out of fear of alienating their substantial nutjob wing.

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    I personally would like to get the Obama birthers and the Trig Palin birthers and have them do some sort of death cage match.

    It would be entertaining, and rid the country of so many idiots at the same time.
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    My dad is an Obama birther. It's not even worth the argument...people believe what they want to believe. He also thinks Obama is going to (insert Republican conspiracy theory here).

    Install socialism, install communism, be the next Hitler, be the Antichrist...

    He also listens to Limbaugh.

    It's really exhausting and frustrating talking to him. He's a smart guy and reads a ton but he's so afraid of anyone who disagrees with him...he watches Fox news all day and only reads books by conservative authors. He thinks Reagan was a true hero. He has a great mind but it is very closed. What can you do?

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    who cares where he was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    My dad is an Obama birther. It's not even worth the argument...people believe what they want to believe. He also thinks Obama is going to (insert Republican conspiracy theory here).

    Install socialism, install communism, be the next Hitler, be the Antichrist...

    He also listens to Limbaugh.

    It's really exhausting and frustrating talking to him. He's a smart guy and reads a ton but he's so afraid of anyone who disagrees with him...he watches Fox news all day and only reads books by conservative authors. He thinks Reagan was a true hero. He has a great mind but it is very closed. What can you do?
    I think I mentioned it here before, but there is the theory of the "echo chamber effect", which basically is that certain die-hard conservatives gravitate back and forth between radio and tv programming that all has the same erroneous messages and reinforce each other.

    An example would be someone who listens to Limbaugh on the radio, and then goes home and watches Fox News with a copy of the American Spectator on his lap. He never gets a chance to see material that debunks the crazy theories being put forward. And somehow, he fools himself into believing that he is getting a balanced presentation of political opinions (maybe because Alan Colmes was on once during the week that he was watching).

    The importance of the Birther issue, and why people should be alarmed, is because it's a corollary (but even worse) to what George W. Bush faced after the 2000 general election: a faction of people who believe he is an "illegitimate" president. When you don't believe that someone legitimately holds power, that frees you to pull off a lot of crazy/illegal stuff that you probably wouldn't under normal circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I don't know if you guys saw it, but The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan published a chart on his blog today (The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan) that showed that the base of the birthers is in the south and almost completely among Republicans. The way the statistics tabulated, up to 58% of Republicans seem to believe there is some validity to the Birther claims.

    Sullivan thinks that as a result, mainstream Republican politicians are going to be leery of debunking the claims, out of fear of alienating their substantial nutjob wing.
    Here's the chart:
    31 Jul 2009 11:25 am
    Where The Birthers Are


    And it has nothing to do with his race. Via Benen. What it also means - now that the GOP is an almost entirely Southern party - is that the Republicans cannot really take this on. 58 percent - a clear majority of Republican voters - either don't believe or are unsure about whether Obama is legitimately the president of the United States.

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    Here's another place old Lou is a real sweetheart...Hillary has a twin sister named Heather who has been disowned and disinherited by Papa for smoking weed. Obviously she didn't smoke that much because she still managed to get into Harvard. Not good enough for Papa.

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    Erm, there was ample evidence that Bush and or the GOP rigged the election..

    there's no evidence regarding this birther crap
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    The thing I love about the birthers is that they keep claiming that Obama won't produced a birth certificate, despite the fact a birth certificate was produced, which some conservatives have already said is legit, along with newspaper birth announcements.

    And the bill that some Republicans are trying to pass saying all presidential candidates should have to produce a birth certificate becomes moot, if you refuse to believe the birth certificate is authentic in the first place.

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    Media Matters' Lou Dobbs Ad Set To Appear On CNN (VIDEO)

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    First Posted: 08- 3-09 09:43 AM | Updated: 08- 3-09 09:59 AM

    Media Matters has released its ad targeting Lou Dobbs over his promotion of the "birthers" movement. The ad is set to appear on CNN during Dobbs' program Tuesday, and will appear on Fox News and MSNBC as well.

    In the commercial, Media Matters calls for CNN to address the Dobbs situation more seriously than it has thus far.

    "It's time for 'The Most Trusted Name in News' to live up to its slogan," the commercial proclaims. "Let CNN know there's nothing 'legitimate' about racially charged paranoia."

    Upon learning of the ad campaign, Dobbs called Media Matters "a rabid, left-wing operation."
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    Media Matters' Lou Dobbs Ad Set To Appear On CNN (VIDEO)

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