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    Sex lives are private. Outing someone is wrong. Period.



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    Fuck that. If they're voting to oppress their own kind then they reap what they sow. I want them paraded down the street in gay districts so people can throw rotting fruit and eggs at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    Sex lives are private. Outing someone is wrong. Period.
    and being in a public post and actively working to make society even more homophobic isn't? and it doesn't bother you that there are closeted gays doing this?
    it's exactly the same as a tough-on-crime, anti-corruption politician turning out to be a huge crook himself, an anti-abortion activist who had an abortion on the DL or paid for his girfriend to have one, etc, etc....
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    While I agree someone who knows without a doubt he is gay, not in conflict, not confused, but consciously chooses to ignore the he is gay is a hypocrite, is deplorable, I also took into consideration how many people are closeted for other reasons and that anyone could use his personal definition of hypocrisy, or nobility, to out anyone at any time.

    Anyone who is outed is technically a liar and two-faced. Someone could see a person who is not admitting his, or her, true sexuality as being deceptive and deserving of humiliation and being forced to be open.

    Either out every closeted person or don't. Who decides the regulations and criteria?



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    Being in the closet due to persecution for no actions you have taken yourself is one thing. That's their own battle to fight, they have to get square with themselves and find the courage to come out on their own terms. Most have to do that. Some take longer. I don't have a problem with that.

    If they aren't engaging in actions or deeds that hurt anybody else (a spouse, the community at large) then I don't care how they live.

    If, however, they're on the DL and their actions could hurt their clueless spouse, or if they're politicians passing legislation to oppress other gays, they are fair game.

    To sum up:

    Not hurting anybody, they can come out at their leisure.

    Hurting /endangering others = fair game.
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    Who decides what is considered enough to be harmful and hurtful? The gay rights movement only? Anyone who finds a closeted homosexual?

    Open that door and watch the extremists take it and run with it. They will out anyone they can find, for any reason, regardless of how flimsy, they can make seem as if they are doing society a favor, just to expose them and humiliate them.

    I don't agree with anyone hurting the very group they are a member of, but I can weigh the exposure versus the collateral damage and see the number of gay people living in the closet due to fear and rejection far outnumber the hypocrites in government. If outing becomes acceptable, the far right will definitely grab that tool and use it efficiently, pointing out the hidden dangers the right have living next door, jeopardizing their way of life, and just waiting to cause harm.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    Who decides what is considered enough to be harmful and hurtful? The gay rights movement only? Anyone who finds a closeted homosexual?
    They will be judged by a panel of their fellow gheys

    Open that door and watch the extremists take it and run with it. They will out anyone they can find, for any reason, regardless of how flimsy, they can make seem as if they are doing society a favor, just to expose them and humiliate them.
    *snort* that'll be fun, considering the most vehement anti-gay freaks are closetcases thmselves. They'd be inviting the same thing visited on them. All the wide stance toe tappers, all the Ted Haggards, every televangelist getting his dick sucked in a back alley...

    I don't agree with anyone hurting the very group they are a member of, but I can weigh the exposure versus the collateral damage and see the number of gay people living in the closet due to fear and rejection far outnumber the hypocrites in government.
    I disagree. I can accept some collateral damage for destroying very vocal opponents who rally retards to their cries.

    If outing becomes acceptable, the far right will definitely grab that tool and use it efficiently, pointing out the hidden dangers the right have living next door, jeopardizing their way of life, and just waiting to cause harm.
    Let them. We'll out them right back. We already started doing that anyway awhile back. Usually anybody who opposes the movement has their past dug up to look for hypocrisy and/or secret man whores. It's a battle of attrition, but so far they have WAY WAY more to hide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    They will be judged by a panel of their fellow gheys
    Nope. Everyone gets to decide or no one. Isn't that what equality means? This is new, hetero discrimination. I bet DC will move on that at the speed of light.

    *snort* that'll be fun, considering the most vehement anti-gay freaks are closetcases thmselves. They'd be inviting the same thing visited on them. All the wide stance toe tappers, all the Ted Haggards, every televangelist getting his dick sucked in a back alley...
    You know, not every conservative is a closet case, right? Every person who vocally opposes the repeal of DADT and DOMA isn't a closet gay. You might knock out a few opponents, but not many.

    Mistresses and drug problems are a safer bet if dirt is what you want to find.

    I disagree. I can accept some collateral damage for destroying very vocal opponents who rally retards to their cries.
    You can? Are you a closeted person who stand to lose everything if outed for no reason other than someone wanted to ruin you? Can you decide for those who are? Making the decision for other people is ok now?

    Let them. We'll out them right back. We already started doing that anyway awhile back. Usually anybody who opposes the movement has their past dug up to look for hypocrisy and/or secret man whores. It's a battle of attrition, but so far they have WAY WAY more to hide
    Have fun. In the short term, the closeted gay movement saboteurs will be outed, but in the long term, how many innocent people will pay the price for a few days of some Capitol Hill idiot being embarrassed?



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    There was a great story a while back about a real-life political operative in Washington, DC. His name was Terry Dolan. He died of AIDS back in 1986.

    The thing about Dolan, who was a closeted gay, was that he helped politicians campaign on family-values and anti-gay themes, including being anti-gay rights.

    At the time, gay politicians and operatives on both sides of the aisle would still meet up at bars and parties and forget the fact that one side was closeted but supporting anti-gay legislation. But at one party, an unnamed gay activist was so incensed at what Dolan was up to that he threw a drink in Dolan's face in front of everyone. The reaction was horror at the person who threw the drink. The feeling at the time was that somehow all those bitter politics were supposed to be left behind at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    Nope. Everyone gets to decide or no one. Isn't that what equality means? This is new, hetero discrimination. I bet DC will move on that at the speed of light.
    Everybody does not get to decide, it's already happening within the gay community. We have our own headhunters.

    You know, not every conservative is a closet case, right? Every person who vocally opposes the repeal of DADT and DOMA isn't a closet gay. You might knock out a few opponents, but not many.
    You'd be surprised.

    Mistresses and drug problems are a safer bet if dirt is what you want to find.
    Nothing knocks out an anti-gay opponent than finding their gay lover hiding somewhere.


    You can? Are you a closeted person who stand to lose everything if outed for no reason other than someone wanted to ruin you? Can you decide for those who are? Making the decision for other people is ok now?
    Yes, I can. It's a war. Collateral damage is to be expected. Unfortunately, since the nutsos refuse to leave us alone, the battle is joined. There will be losses on both sides. That's a painful reality. I don't enjoy it but it IS as it is.

    Have fun. In the short term, the closeted gay movement saboteurs will be outed, but in the long term, how many innocent people will pay the price for a few days of some Capitol Hill idiot being embarrassed?
    Careers are destroyed this way. It's not a matter of some embarrassment. They lose all clout. Even the nuts can't pray to jesus and forgive them. They do it for show, but the ones exposed are forever tainted and untrustworthy. It's not the same as them screwing some straight prostitute or doing some blow. They do not recover from the gay thing.
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    I think all hypocrites should be exposed...not just gay ones.

    You're a 'family values' wanker, but you have a mistress- out you go.

    Anti-drug legislator- but you have a line on the weekends- out you go

    Making tax laws- but cheat on your own- you're out too

    Hypocrisy is something I find truly hateful.
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    ^ all that too. Two faced shitbags everywhere should be exposed.
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    All hypocrites know the risk of saying one thing and doing another.

    If outing a gay person for lying or being a hypocrite is ethical, then every closeted gay should be outed.

    The double standard of protect those who are lying to not be labeled as gay but out the lying ones who have an internal conflict with be gay is doesn't wash.

    One lies to make it and the other lies to make it, but takes his anger out in a nasty way.



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    you really have trouble with nuance and shades of grey, don't you? not everything is so cut and dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    I think all hypocrites should be exposed...not just gay ones.

    You're a 'family values' wanker, but you have a mistress- out you go.

    Anti-drug legislator- but you have a line on the weekends- out you go

    Making tax laws- but cheat on your own- you're out too

    Hypocrisy is something I find truly hateful.
    ABSOLUTELY! It's why we're supposed to have a free press, to shine light on the do as I say, how dare you look at what I do crowd.

    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    All hypocrites know the risk of saying one thing and doing another.

    If outing a gay person for lying or being a hypocrite is ethical, then every closeted gay should be outed.

    The double standard of protect those who are lying to not be labeled as gay but out the lying ones who have an internal conflict with be gay is doesn't wash.

    One lies to make it and the other lies to make it, but takes his anger out in a nasty way.
    I think your starting point makes an assumption that isn't quite valid. You are assuming that "not out" globally or publicly is living a hypocritical existence. I think "not out" can also mean privately out or not addressing the issue at all (which technically is closeted, but necessarily not hypocritical). What upsets me and what (I think) is the point of the OP is those who actively scream from the rooftops AND have the power to legislate that homosexuality is "evil" "amoral" "against God" or anything else, who are (at the same time) dipping the quill in the forbidden ink DESERVE to be outed for abusing the power they hold. That their self-loathing must know no depths is a bonus.

    As an example - my ex husband is a cheat and an all around POS. He refuses to pay $70 of my daughter's medical bill (he's to carry the ins., I pay co-pay + first $100 and we split what's left. I paid $250 and am being stubborn about this last amount) - when he lapsed the insurance (therefore chose to self-insure), never told me, told me he paid his share 2+ years ago blah blah blah blah...I consider it just rewards that when I send the bill to his work and home I print on the back that the mail is addressed to someone who refuses to meet his most basic obligations to his only child and is $11k behind on child support. I am practically giddy that the whore threw him out (for cheating) and he had to move in with ihs parents. Why should I bear all of the burden without exposing what a waste of a soul he has turned out to be? See????

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