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    i Listened to this on talk radio, and he's not trying to get rid of welfare entirely. he wants to ax certain welfare programs, such as welfare to work, CALjobs, etc.

    that said, he's a fucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Why would I give a thumbs up or smiley face to screwing over poor people, the unemployed, old people & the disabled? The 'heck of a job Arnie' was sarcasm and a play on 'heck of a job Brownie.'
    He was referring to the OP's statement in the original post.. the "freeloaders" are getting what they deserve bullshit. Really a smiley face/feel-good kind of thing.

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    The governor did not propose any new tax hikes.
    And that's problem number 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Lane View Post
    Once again, making generalizations about all welfare recipients being 'freeloaders' just adds to this type of bullshit. Eliminating welfare programs isn't just going to rob a lot of people of economic aid but it'll rob them of social resources/opportunities as well. Not to mention, most people in poverty aren't persistently poor... actually 50% of Americans will be below the poverty line at some point. I guess 50% of Americans are all freeloaders, too.

    And if does turn out to be a negotiating tactic then this is a retarded way to go about it. Using "expendable" social programs as a bargaining chip. Nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita View Post
    After seeing this post, I am really beginning to think that the OP is just retarded or is trolling or just fucked up in some way. I am serious.

    Yeah, cut home care to the elderly and disabled, they are just 'freeloaders'..I mean WTF with the smiley face!
    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance View Post
    Wondering if it was only me who was bugged by the "freeloader" comment. There are good & decent people who need help & it worries me to see the country going in this direction. Not to mention the dismisive attitude toward the elderly & disabled. Just a horrible insensitive generalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by visitor42 View Post
    And that's problem number 1.
    That's the Dems' answer to everything - tax, tax, tax the productive citizens of this country in order to redistribute wealth to the unproductive citizens of this country. The California Dems hiked taxes last year. It did nothing to solve California's budget crisis.

    The extreme liberals have been running California for 30+ years, and they have destroyed the state by creating the largest entitlement state in the country. But the chickens have come home to roost in California. The Dems have finally run out of other people's money to spend - because of the recession, because they've run productive citizens and businesses out of the state by taxing them to death.

    More taxes alone won't solve California's budget crisis. The entitlement state must be dismantled in California. The productive citizens of the state can no longer support the welfare class.

    BTW, I've faced financial hardship before, but I've NEVER gone looking for a government handout. I've never been on welfare or food stamps. We've created a class of people in this country who feel entitled to live off the government (i.e. the Democrats voter base). It runs contrary to the principles this nation was founded on. I believe in small government, low taxes. I support dismantling CalWORKS, Medi-Cal, etc. The government shouldn't be in in the business of redistributing wealth (& the bottom 40-50% of people in this country pay next to nothing in taxes). The nanny state has got to go, especially since this President is so intent on having open borders. Economics 101 - You can't have both open border & a welfare state. You end up broke like California. But I'm convinced this President has never even attended an economics class based on his insane spending policies and creation of an unsustainable deficit.

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    Stereotypes are a real time saver.
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    Thumbs down Arnol sucks eggs!

    So, basically the poor, unemployed, disabled and elderly are shit out of luck. Heck of a job, Arnie.
    How can Maria Shriver stay married to Arnold is beyond me.

    The Shrivers and the Kennedys fought for the poor, unemployed, disabled (most especially the disabled), and the elderly for generations.

    Damn'

    Thumbs down to Arnold.

    More taxes alone won't solve California's budget crisis. The entitlement state must be dismantled in California. The productive citizens of the state can no longer support the welfare class.


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    What percentage of welfare recipients are minors anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita View Post
    But this is such a good thing..where is your 'thumbs up' and smiley face? Just ask purple rain.

    And don't forget the subsidized child care..can't leave those freeloading kids out of the cuts, right?
    Personal responsibility. Those who can't afford to have kids should stop having them. Most responsible people in this country limit their families to the number of children they can afford to have. They shouldn't have to pay to raise the kids of low income people and illegals as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    What percentage of welfare recipients are minors anyway?
    2/3 of welfare recipients in California are minors.

    BTW, California has 12% of the nation's population but 32% of the nation's welfare cases. The welfare/entitlement state is out-of-control in California.

    But the liberals' solution is always to create new government entitlement programs and raise taxes on productive citizens and businesses to pay for them. Great idea - drive tax paying citizens and businesses out of the state and limit job creation. Their system of government dependency has brought nothing but illegals and freeloaders to the state. Socialism is a failure; it destroys wealth. California is exhibit A, and our whole country will look like California if Obama implements all of his agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purple rain View Post
    2/3 of welfare recipients in California are minors.
    So screw the children.
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    Socialism is a failure; it destroys wealth
    Funny how it works so well in the rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purple rain View Post
    Personal responsibility. Those who can't afford to have kids should stop having them. Most responsible people in this country limit their families to the number of children they can afford to have. They shouldn't have to pay to raise the kids of low income people and illegals as well.


    Not everyone receiving assistance is abusing the system. Not everyone is looking for the proverbial "handout". MANY of them were also just like you--before they lost their jobs. And what about the elderly & disabled? What do you suggest they do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    So screw the children.

    Funny how it works so well in the rest of the world.
    The welfare system PAYS women to have children. The whole system is screwed up and needs to be reformed.

    Where is socialism working? Have you been paying attention to the news? Socialism has destroyed Greece, and is on the verge of destroying countries such as Italy, Spain, Portugal and Britain. The new government in Britain is identifying ways to reduce public benefits in order to reduce their unsustainable budget deficit. Like Margaret Thatcher said, "Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money to spend." We're pretty close to that point right now in this country, with only 50% the country paying income taxes. It will only get worse and worse for this country as the baby boomers hit retirement and are due their Medicare/Social Security.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance View Post
    Not everyone receiving assistance is abusing the system. Not everyone is looking for the proverbial "handout". MANY of them were also just like you--before they lost their jobs. And what about the elderly & disabled? What do you suggest they do?
    They are still freeloaders. Those living off the government and not paying their fair share in taxes are living off the taxes paid by the rest of us in this country. Why is it fair for them to receive benefits that they haven't earned at the expense of taking away other people's hard earned money? For all this rhetoric about the rich not paying their fair share of taxes, the top 10% of wage earners pay the vast majority of income taxes in this country. The bottom 40-50% of all wage earners contribute nothing, and many are living in government dependency.

    Like I said, the Dems in California temporarily raised taxes last year. Now, they want to keep those taxes in place despite the voters in California rejecting their tax and spend policy. The voters rejected extending the new taxes by a 2-1 margin. But the Dems' voter base is dependent on government assistance, so they will reject eliminating entitlement programs at all costs, even if they bankrupt the state of California & prohibit economic recovery (12% unemployment in that socialist paradise of a state) by taxing businesses.

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    Weirdly, I'm reading a book about the East End of London 1888. It's pretty graphic in its descriptions of the grinding poverty and very clear about the reasons behind it and how the refusal of the councils and the city government made it worse. Somehow I was reminded of it while reading about Ahnold's big plans. Wait till people start dying of starvation in the street and crime rates soar. That might bring a change of plans.
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    As much as people don't like Arnold, he is considered a "liberal" Republican among Republicans and conservatives. What that means is that things on the horizon will be even worse in terms of a political successor. In addition, because California can't print (create money) its way out of this mess, or put it off (unlike the federal government), it is going to continue to have very ugly choices to make. That will include cuts to basic services, entitlements, police, education, roads, and on and on.

    California could possibly raise taxes, but I'm not sure what its current tax rate is and whether that would cause both people and business to flee the state, leaving behind an even bigger mess.

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