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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Palin's usual bullshit. Nothing new.

    The sad part is people really believe this crap. I just found out today that one of my best friends, a white guy that's a cop, not only believes that Obama is going to destroy healthcare with 'socialism,' but he's a birther, too. We had a nice argument/debate about Obama being a Muslim, an American & how the cops were right to arrest Gates.
    She's a republican? Aren't they the ones that don't believe in ANYTHING socialist? She's a fuckwit, but unfortunately she's dangerous because she has "power"
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    The stupidity is numbing...
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    Once you thoroughly unfasten yourself from reality, truly all things are possible.

    AJC columnist Jay Bookman noticed that in the latest Investors Business Daily editorial about how the 'death panel' will condemn all handicapped or disabled people to death on some horrid wind-swept mountain, it notes that ...
    People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.
    Needless to say, Hawking, who is recognized as one of the great theoretical physicists of the 20th and 21st century, was born in the UK and has lived his entire life there.

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    What a load of bullshit - our health service isn't brilliant but it does treat everyone with its limited resources.
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    "It's not the way to debate this bill, and it's another example of Sarah Palin having difficulty figuring out how to enter into a serious debate about issues."
    Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Obama was the tipping point for the racists. They see 'their America' changing, meaning minorities are increasing in numbers and the balance of power is being shared, and they see it as a threat to their very existence. Plus, Obama doesn't fit into their typical stereotype of a black man, so they don't know how to deal with him.

    Until Obama was elected the presidency was the last bastion of what the racists deemed 'white America.' Once he was elected the racists felt like their very existence was being challenged and that the 'evil minorities' are finally taking over the country. So, the racists feel as if they can let their racism fly without any punishment. They think that they can turn the hands of Time back to the Jim Crow days, but what they forget is that time only moves forward, not backwards.
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    Okay I'm very undecided about how I feel about this whole new health care plan. On one hand, our insurance in this country does suck. But on the other hand, I don't want to pay more taxes for someone else's health issues. This might sound cruel to some people, but I don't think it's my business to pay for somebody's medical bills.

    /rant.


    Idk, maybe I'm uninformed about this, and please correct me if I am. But this just sounds like higher taxes to me. I'm usually with the Democrats on most things, but I just don't see what's so great about this (except health care for everyone, which no offense, isn't something I honestly care too much about).


    I also work at a pharmacy, and I asked the pharmacists there what they thought of this whole new health care plan. Not ONE said they were for it. Not trying to stir anything up here, just sharing my opinions and what I've seen.



    EDIT: I in no way agree with these people getting violent and racist over this. I'm very non-violent and I think it's disgusting how people (especially politicians) can try to twist the public's opinion.
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    you already pay for other peoples roads, schools, military, and a host of other things.

    health care is a national priority, and so is NOT going bankrupt from a hospital stay.

    God, i'm so tired of the selfish american ME ME ME ME ME grasping harpy attitude. You live in a SOCIETY. Try to remember that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lurkur View Post
    LOL, are building codes un-American too, now?
    Yes damn it. There's a long and proud tradition in America and having buildings that stay up is just wrong and possibly foreign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    you already pay for other peoples roads, schools, military, and a host of other things.

    health care is a national priority, and so is NOT going bankrupt from a hospital stay.

    God, i'm so tired of the selfish american ME ME ME ME ME grasping harpy attitude. You live in a SOCIETY. Try to remember that.
    Idk I don't really see it that way. I don't feel it's my responsibility to pay for someone else's healthcare. Roads are for everybody, schools are for everybody. Somebody's health isn't one of my priorities. The healthcare my family and I have is working for us. Maybe not 100%, but it's not bad. I guess that makes me a bit more biased.



    Idk, if this bill ever gets passed, I'll just have to deal with it. I'm not furious about it, I just don't like it. I'm planning to study abroad and move back to Europe when I'm a little older anyway, so it won't affect me for too long.

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    I'm sorry, I have read this thread and heard several news reports about this issue in America, and I'm struggling to understand why it is such a controversial issue...of course you will have to pay more taxes but as I understand it if you want medical aid you have to PAY for healthcare anyway, and not everyone has the luxury of being able to afford that.

    The experiences I've had with the NHS have been very good indeed, when I came off my bike and gashed my head I was x-rayed, stitched up and dealt with within 24 hours. When my sister fell off rocks and was in a coma for 3 weeks the NHS looked after her even though she had a 50/50 chance of survival or being a vegetable (she fully recovered and now has two kids btw-who were delivered in NHS hospitals) When my grandma fell over she was put in a hospital for 3 weeks and looked after very well. It's not a perfect system by any means but it is a comfort to know that if you have an accident or health problems you will get some measure of care.
    I rather resented paying my taxes until that day I came off my bike and was whisked off in an ambulance and given professional care and didn't have to worry about medical insurance footing the bill.

    Could someone explain to me in laymen's terms what all the fuss is about? I feel terribly naive/puzzled.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rondette View Post
    Could someone explain to me in laymen's terms what all the fuss is about? I feel terribly naive/puzzled.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by oltifreakinbaby View Post
    Idk I don't really see it that way. I don't feel it's my responsibility to pay for someone else's healthcare. Roads are for everybody, schools are for everybody. Somebody's health isn't one of my priorities.
    The system that maintains the health of EVERYBODY is for EVERYBODY.. just like a road. Do you sit out there and measure how much each individual person drives on a specific road, and then stop them when you think they've driven too much on it?


    The healthcare my family and I have is working for us. Maybe not 100%, but it's not bad. I guess that makes me a bit more biased.
    That's nice, and nobody will take it away from you. How about the people it's not working for?

    What happens if you get some kind of hideous wasting disease and your insurance dumps you? Bankruptcy here you come.


    Idk, if this bill ever gets passed, I'll just have to deal with it. I'm not furious about it, I just don't like it. I'm planning to study abroad and move back to Europe when I'm a little older anyway, so it won't affect me for too long.
    Yes, retreat to Europe where single payer healthcare is unheard of.

    *rubs temples*

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    Quote Originally Posted by oltifreakinbaby View Post
    The healthcare my family and I have is working for us. Maybe not 100%, but it's not bad. I guess that makes me a bit more biased.
    One problem is that this healthcare that is 'working for you' right now could be taken away from you in a heartbeat through no fault of your own...For example, if you or your spouse loses the job through which you are insured, you may or may not be able to find another job where the employer offers access to the same degree of coverage.

    And I am not talking about something that happens to people who are too 'lazy' to work, it could happen to anyone.

    In what universe does it make sense to create a potential situation where someone loses a job and loses their insurance with it, so that they are just one accident or health problem away from a hole that they cannot climb out?

    A couple of years ago when my husband was out of work, I was the one with a full-time job who subscribed to the benefits. I had to have a breast biopsy. I wasn't worried about having cancer--I was worried about the possibility of having cancer, not being able to work, and losing health insurance for myself and my husband and kids.

    I have worked my fucking ass off since I graduated from college, like most people here and everywhere. Yet there I was dangling on the edge of a precipice--where getting sick potentially meant not just losing my breast or my life but my family losing everything. That is my definition of sick.

    We pay a much higher percentage of our gross domestic product for healthcare than nations that have full coverage for their citizens. Other countries are gaining on us in terms of parameters like infant mortality and lifespan. And millions have no insurance.

    That suggests to me that we are getting a pretty crappy deal for the money.

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    Watching 'Breaking Bad' did actually give me some inkling of how your health insurance works in the States and no sir I did not like it! (I know it's an extreme example but the fact that they based a whole series around a guy not being able to afford healthcare speaks volumes to me!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBDSP View Post
    One problem is that this healthcare that is 'working for you' right now could be taken away from you in a heartbeat through no fault of your own...For example, if you or your spouse loses the job through which you are insured, you may or may not be able to find another job where the employer offers access to the same degree of coverage.

    And I am not talking about something that happens to people who are too 'lazy' to work, it could happen to anyone.

    In what universe does it make sense to create a potential situation where someone loses a job and loses their insurance with it, so that they are just one accident or health problem away from a hole that they cannot climb out?

    A couple of years ago when my husband was out of work, I was the one with a full-time job who subscribed to the benefits. I had to have a breast biopsy. I wasn't worried about having cancer--I was worried about the possibility of having cancer, not being able to work, and losing health insurance for myself and my husband and kids.

    I have worked my fucking ass off since I graduated from college, like most people here and everywhere. Yet there I was dangling on the edge of a precipice--where getting sick potentially meant not just losing my breast or my life but my family losing everything. That is my definition of sick.

    We pay a much higher percentage of our gross domestic product for healthcare than nations that have full coverage for their citizens. Other countries are gaining on us in terms of parameters like infant mortality and lifespan. And millions have no insurance.

    That suggests to me that we are getting a pretty crappy deal for the money.

    This makes a lot of sense. I don't disagree with the fact that health care in this country is messed up.

    Idk, to me, it all comes down to the economics of it. You say that I'd pay less with taxes than I pay now for insurance? If that's true, then I'm for it.

    And I'm not one of those people who "fears" it because of the "death panels" and all these problems the Republicans say come with it. My only problem with it is the economics of it. If it works out economically, then I'd have no problem.

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    Most people in this country can't afford to be sick. Some can't afford to be old and sick. The last six months of my mother's life were spent confined to bed with a home care agency providing round the clock service. My mother forked over $60,000 of her own money for these people - home care's not covered for seniors, nursing homes aren't covered by either Medicare or BC/BS. Many older people and people with chronic illnesses just don't have the means to pay medical bills, insurance premiums and prescription costs. How many times do we have to read about someone who had to move back in with their folks or in with other relatives after a medical bankruptcy? The only time we didn't have to pay the home care people for my mom was when she was in the hospital (numerous times the last six months - she had Stage 4 lung cancer, 50 years of smoking thank you very much). It's gotta be fair for everybody, it's gotta make sense for the masses, not just for the few.

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    Is it possible those who are decrying this reform have some sort of financial investment in medical affairs?? If there was a National Health Service there would be a lot less people shelling out their money on private health care....it's a huge and powerful industry that stands to maybe lose shitloads. This must be pretty obvious, musn't it?

    I still can't believe anybody would be against healthcare for all, it just seems fundamentally wrong to me and terribly self-centered.

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