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Thread: *Rumors and Speculation* Did Sarah Palin fake her last pregnancy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    Seeing that pic of Levi kissing baby Trig I'd say he's the babydaddy.
    Unless Levi's just been lead to believe Trig is his and the father is some other guy, like Johnny. I sure hope he asks for a paternity test at some point!

    I vote stupidity as the reason for the 2nd kid. Bristol probably just wanted to get laid after been holed up in her parents' house for a couple months.

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    Levi hasn't changed; the Palins have


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    It is amazing how quickly Palin Nation can turn on you. Remember the outrage after I questioned how Levi Johnston was accepted into the coveted ASRC apprentice program without meeting the requirements?


    Instead of addressing the issue, the governor and her rabid followers took exception with my even asking the question. The governor said my raising the possibility of special treatment "threatens to destroy a young man's opportunity for work."


    That was accompanied by thousands of e-mails from Palinbots saying I had destroyed young Levi's life.


    Yes, it was something to see. Palin Nation and the governor herself rallying around young Levi. Back then Levi was a helpless, innocent, persecuted victim. Now, only four short months later, he has become Levi, the big mistake.


    What caused Palin and her cult followers to turn on this young man? He agreed to go on the Tyra Banks show.


    Enter "Truth Squad" hit woman Meghan Stapleton.


    "Bristol did not even know Levi was going on the show. We're disappointed that Levi and his family, in a quest for fame, attention, and fortune, are engaging in flat-out lies, gross exaggeration, and even distortion of their relationship."


    Imagine that. Someone in a quest for fame, attention and fortune, engaging in flat-out lies, gross exaggeration, and even distortion. I wonder if Stapleton knows anyone else like that.


    You would hope these strong attacks from Stapleton are not the governor's doing. It's Stapleton's way of impressing the governor. The meaner she is, the more the governor will know how loyal she is. My experience with Stapleton in the past is she aims to impress her boss. But unfortunately Palin herself has shown a propensity for personal attacks on those she deems as enemies.


    Levi doesn't come across as an enemy of Palin's on the two TV interviews he's done so far. He says he's speaking out to clear his family's name. He says people think his family is white trash and he wants to prove otherwise.


    The governor might not like some of the answers Levi is giving. He was asked if Palin let him spend the night in her home and share a room with the governor's teenage daughter even though they were not married. He said yes. Levi's sister backs him up, saying she didn't see her brother for weeks while he stayed at the Palins'. This is not the kind of thing Palin wants to get out to her national evangelical base, but you can't blame Levi for simply answering the question.


    It's clear Palin is aware of her base and is practicing Levi damage control through her spokeswoman Stapleton.


    "Bristol's focus will remain on raising Tripp, completing her education, and advocating abstinence," Stapleton's statement read.


    But didn't Bristol tell Fox News abstinence wasn't realistic? How's that advocating abstinence? Facts typically don't get in the way of the "Truth Squad" or its vitriolic spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton.


    Stapleton's statement went on to say, "It is unfortunate that Levi finds it more appealing to exploit his previous relationship with Bristol than to contribute to the well-being of the child."


    Think about that for a second. Sarah Palin released a statement to the nation accusing the father of her grandbaby of not caring about the well-being of his child. How will Tripp feel the day he learns his grandmother publicly attacked his father? This is family, for goodness' sake. What won't Palin do to anyone getting in the way of her political ambition? If the 18-year old father of her grandchild isn't off-limits, nobody is.


    The governor ends her attack on Levi by saying, "Bristol realizes now that she made a mistake in her relationship and is the one taking responsibility for their actions."


    There you go, Tripp. Your grandmother wants the world to know your mother considers your father a big mistake. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

    Young Levi Johnston, once an innocent target of an evil columnist, is now turned to bad father, exploiter, liar, seeker of fame, attention and fortune, engaging in flat-out lies, gross exaggeration, and even distortion.


    For Sarah Palin, Levi the victim has become Levi the big mistake. With family like this, who needs enemies?


    Dan Fagan hosts a radio talk show on KFQD-AM 750 and publishes thealaskastandard.com.
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    Palin could've gone on Tyra herself, but I don't think she could handle such a tough interviewer!

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    ^^snicker....so true. Tyra would have come at her with those 'gotcha' questions like 'do you wear a hair piece?'
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    Default Levi's Lawyer disputes Palin family characterization of Levi Johnston

    Gee, does this lawyer know something the rest of us don't know?
    Lawyer disputes Palin family characterization of Levi Johnston


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    (04/15/09 21:20:39)

    Levi Johnston's lawyer is bristling at suggestions from Gov. Sarah Palin's family that the 19-year-old is a deadbeat dad. "I wish that Sarah Palin's father would get his facts correct, quite frankly," attorney Rex Butler said Wednesday.

    Johnston and Palin's daughter, 18-year-old Bristol, have a nearly 4-month-old son, Tripp. Since the couple broke up, Johnston has claimed in several national television interviews that the Palins were limiting his access to the boy.


    Palin's father, Chuck Heath, claims in a story being published Friday in Us Weekly magazine that the unemployed Johnston isn't financially supporting the infant. He said he wishes Johnston would take some money from the interviews and buy diapers for Tripp.


    Butler told The Associated Press that Johnston was not paid for the interviews and is tired of the Palin family's characterization of his client.


    Heath was "trying to make the young man look like a deadbeat father, and, you know, they may have a rude awakening one day if he tries to get custody," Butler said.


    "They don't want to share his child with him like they should," he said.


    Butler also suggested Johnston and Bristol Palin would likely still have a relationship if the families would stay out of it.


    Palin family spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton responded in an e-mail to the AP by saying, "Bristol is focused on college, advocating abstinence and raising Tripp."


    http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/761172.html

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    I'm glad they got a lawyer. Meghan Stapleton is supposed to be working for SarahPac now, not defending the family against Levi.

    How the hell is Bristol focused on college? Shouldn't she be focused on high school? Ijit.

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    I predict by next year they'll be saying 'Bristol is focusing on finishing her Masters while preparing to raise her third...erm, second child.'
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    I'm waiting for the day one of them slips up and says "Trig" instead of "Tripp".. it will happen.

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    Saturday, April 18, 2009

    MySpace Part Three

    It has always been my preference to focus on the evidence that Sarah Palin was not pregnant in March and April of 2008, and let the question of the identity of Trig Palin’s biological mother play second fiddle. But, in spite of our preference to leave the Palin daughters out of the equation, we have not been able to avoid that completely. Bristol Palin was named nationally as Trig's mother in numerous places as early as August 29, 2008, and she was brought into the game by her own mother on September 1, when Sarah Palin chose to "prove" that she WAS Trig's mother, not by providing Trig's birth certificate or a clear statement by her physician, but by stating that her daughter was then five months pregnant, thus precluding Bristol's having given birth previously in mid-April.

    Bristol Palin is by no means the only possibility for Trig Palin's birth mother. However, the persistence of the rumors that she was pregnant dating to before Trig's birth, coupled with the complete lack of photographs of her from the time period, makes it difficult not to continue to consider her the most likely "other mother."

    Since September, numerous people have been looking to social networking websites, like MySpace for additional info about "Life and Times at Wasilla High." As we've stated previously, MySpace has NOT provided us concrete proof about this issue, specifically who Trig's mother is OR whether Bristol Palin was pregnant. But the MySpace comments do give a glimpse into the lives of Bristol, Levi and their circle of friends. And what we can see does indicate that something "changed" as early as July 2007 and that something was amiss during the winter of 2007-2008.

    A number of the comments already published here have been suspicious, but none have been conclusive. For example, we’ve seen that Bristol made a series of interesting comments to her friend Johnny in the spring of 2007, including one stating that Gov. Palin had confronted her about possibly being pregnant. Other comments made to her girlfriends also merit attention:
    June 22, 2007 9:40 PM
    Hey, call me NOW!!

    June 25, 2007 1:33 AM
    now im a mother duck for that baby!
    (Note from Audrey: This curious comment is discussed in more detail at the very end of this post.)
    June 25, 2007 1:50 AM
    ha ha im a slut. but sounds good…what number?
    Without context, however, these comments can be interpreted in numerous ways. And, during this same period, other examples show Bristol to be happy and social, engaging in typical summertime activities. This makes it all the more strange when, in late June 2007, she suddenly disappears from MySpace, and is mentioned by name only once after that, even by her good friends.

    Please be clear that we have no evidence that as of late June 2007, she actually did stop using MySpace abruptly. It's possible that she could have. Perhaps she became bored with MySpace. Perhaps her computer broke. Perhaps her friends just stopped talking both ABOUT her and TO her as of that date. But it's also quite possible (even probable) that she continued to use MySpace for months after this… and then at some point between late June 2007 and late August 2008, for reasons that we do not know at a point in time we cannot pinpoint, a decision was made to remove Bristol's page from the site, as well as delete any and all comments she made to friends, and apparently either to delete (or asked to be deleted) comments others made about her between themselves.

    Because of this, our conclusions are drawn as much from what's NOT there as from what is.

    What does our research show post-June 2007? One of the only comments that directly references Bristol after that time (and the only one that uses her name) has already been published, from September 2007, in which one girl (Kaila) is joking with Jenny Jo, who is a good friend of Levi’s off-and-on girlfriend Lanesia, because Jenny Jo had threatened to beat Bristol up for Lanesia.
    9/28/2007 Kaila to Jenny Jo:
    haha, you were gonna fight Bristol for Lanesia.. idk, it was freakin hilarious though. you were getttin ready to take on like 394083 people yourself. haha..funny ass shit. call me tonight bia.
    Is this because Levi and Bristol’s relationship has just been discovered? The problem with this comment is that it references something that happened earlier, "you were gonna fight…" but there is no date context. Was this something that happened the previous night or three months earlier? We don't know.

    In any case, by January 2008, Lanesia had moved on to a different relationship, indicating that Bristol and Levi most likely became “official” sometime in either the summer or the fall of 2007.

    Although she had a new boyfriend, one specific comment shows that Lanesia might still have harbored some residual feelings for Levi. In late January 2008, there is a burst of chatter that may be significant, though it's inconclusive at the same time. First, messages are left between a young man named Tylor to our old friend Jenny Jo.

    In the first, Tylor asks Jenny Jo: "Who do you want to beat up?" (indicating that Jenny Jo has told Tylor that she's angry with someone) and the second – in response to something Jenny Jo then said back to Tylor that we cannot see – "THEY F***ED?"

    Is Tylor a newcomer to some gossip? Does the gossip even have anything at all to do with Bristol Palin? The next couple of exchanges certainly indicate the strong possibility that Levi and Bristol are involved. Tylor immediately posts to Rachelle (the sister of Johnny – who has been identified as Bristol's boyfriend prior to Levi) "ARE YOU SERIOUS"

    Again, why do we think this has anything to do with Bristol? Because just a couple hours later, Lanesia then posts back to Rachelle:

    yea i heard and #### no never again she messed that up to many times and i aint one to talk shit about a girl and go be tight with them but no im not she totally messed up by Fn my Xbf
    These exchanges indicate that something surprising was revealed in late January 2008. Lanesia's "yea I heard" can only mean there is new information which involved a girl who was "fn" Lanesia's "xbf," and from our research, the only ex-boyfriend of Lanesia was Levi Johnston. And, although Levi had been linked with several other girls in 2005 and 2006, from 2007 on, the only two girls mentioned in conjunction with Levi were Lanesia herself and Bristol Palin. It would be easy to say that "new shocking" info would be that Bristol was pregnant. Yet – two of the comments specifically mention just sexual activity – as if that might be the "new" thing, which then becomes hard to explain in the context of someone wanting to beat Bristol up FOR Lanesia at least four months earlier.

    And then… in this sequence… nothing more.

    We can only come back to what was said before: For a popular girl who had an active social life and many friends, and who had been a regular MySpace user, the complete absence of any mention of Bristol through this time period is astonishing. It's important to reiterate that the only comments we can link to her (with the one exception of the comment from September 2007, which makes reference to her being "beat up") do not contain her name.

    For example, in April 2008, 8 days before Trig’s official birthdate, an older Wasilla teen named Dannie, someone not closely connected to the primary social group, makes this curious comment on a friend’s MySpace:

    April 10, 2008 12:03 AM
    …i want to tell you something kinda funny so when you call remind me about the governor’s kid…

    Something to do with Bristol?

    After that comment, there is nothing more to be found in MySpace about any of the Palins until the end of August. The pregnancy that was announced by the Palin campaign on September 1, 2008 was said to be an “open secret” in Wasilla. Really? Because in spite of the fact that many of the teens’ MySpace profiles were used extensively between April-August 2008, neither Mercede nor any other person makes even one mention of Bristol or the pregnancy. Not one.

    Mercede's MySpace page was public until midafternoon on September 1, 2008. We have screen shots of the entire thing. She is so close to her older brother Levi that she had posted several pictures of them together, in which she calls him "her best friend" in the world. She has had his name tattooed on her wrist. Yet not one post about this exciting "open secret" that her dear brother was to become a father, which would make her a new auntie? No.

    Numerous comments exist on many girls' pages in which pregnancies, showers, and babies are discussed, in some cases with great excitement and positive feelings. But regarding Bristol, Levi and the Tripp pregnancy... well, it doesn't seem to exist. The only thing we do have is a photograph of Bristol and Mercede together from April 25, 2008 in which Mercede refers to Bristol as her sister-in-law. This is after Trig's birth but before it is plausible that it was known that she was pregnant with Tripp.

    Then, the morning of August 29, 2008 arrives, and with it, John McCain’s announcement of his running mate.

    On that day, there is an occasional comment along the lines of --hey, did you see who got picked?--but generally nothing more than that. But on the afternoon of the 29th, Dannie (the one who had heard something "kinda funny" about the governor’s kid) does have a specific question, and she poses it to another Wasilla teen, Zach, again someone not tightly connected to the primary group. Because Zach's MySpace profile is private, we cannot see the initial question to him, but his answer is this:

    August 29, 2008 3:39 PM
    I know who started it. Tylor [last name deleted by PD]
    I think that’s how you spell his name

    There is no context surrounding this remark to aid interpretation. All we know is that Zach says that Tylor started “it”. Because Zach identifies Tylor by his first and last name, we know for sure that this is the same Tylor who was involved in the exchanges regarding the surprising news back in January.

    Fast forward a bit to September 3, the day of Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican National Convention. Not only is the Palin/Johnston pregnancy an “open secret” in Wasilla, it’s now the most famous pregnancy in the entire United States. The governor of Alaska is on the ticket; her oldest daughter has been outed as a pregnant unwed teen on the national news; said daughter and her hockey star fiance are being seen all over the world. That should warrant quite a few MySpace comments. No need to keep it on the down-low anymore. Right? Or at least a couple of comments? Actually: zero.

    Well, maybe just one, a cryptic question--asked by a girl named Kelci of Kaila (the same Kaila who was involved in the exchange with Jenny Jo about beating up Bristol a year earlier):
    September 3, 2008 6:06 PM
    bp?
    Kaila's answer is not known because Kelci's profile is private, but, after receiving a response, she comments back to Kaila
    September 4, 2008 6:02 PM
    mmmmm gotcha. that’s what I figured but I wasn’t fasho
    whadddup?
    For the uninitiated, "fasho" in teen speak means "for sure." So Kelci is saying, "That's what I thought [about whatever it is they were talking about concerning "bp"] but I wasn't sure."

    But what could it be? If we're to believe that Bristol’s pregnancy is an "open secret" in Wasilla, and that Levi and Bristol are an established, even engaged, couple, why is it that the only possible mention of it at this point (OR throughout the entire previous summer OR during the entire following campaign) is this one girl who dares use only initials? Hmmm.

    And what could this girl be asking? We believe she is a relative of Kaila (though we can't confirm that 100%); she also lives in the Wasilla area, and she is friends with many of the same people as Kaila. So she wouldn’t be confirming simply that Bristol is pregnant, because everyone already knows that, right?

    So what are my conclusions?

    1. Bristol Palin was "scrubbed" from MySpace as of an arbitrary date. This date seems to be around July 1, 2007, though the date the scrubbing was actually done is completely unknown. Numerous comments from before this date existed as of September 1, 2008 (though many have since been removed) including one fairly troublesome one about her mother questioning whether or not she was pregnant. Only one comment exists which mentions her by name after that date, and NO comments from her.

    2. There was chatter about something surprising, even shocking, in late January 2008 that involved Levi Johnston, and in all probability, Bristol Palin. This was far too early for her to have been pregnant with Tripp. However, considering earlier comments, it seems too late to have been simply that the two young people were in a relationship.

    3. There is not a single mention of Bristol, Levi, or Bristol's pregnancy throughout the entire summer of 2008, even though it was supposed to have been an "open secret" in Wasilla. A single comment, mentioning Bristol only by using her initials, strongly suggests on September 3rd that there is something more going on than just the supposed "open secret. " It was something that there was gossip about, something that some young people in Wasilla (who should have been connected with the group) were unaware of. Something about Tripp's pregnancy was not "as presented" on September 1, 2008, though what exactly that is is completely unclear. Dates? Who the father might be?

    The MySpace information is confusing, at time contradictory, and terribly incomplete. Yet, overall, it's hard to escape the conclusion that the timelines of neither the Trig nor the Tripp pregnancies seem plausible based on what is being said (and not said) among teenagers in Wasilla.

    -------------


    PS. Those who have read this far (!) will probably note that no comment has been made about a curious post from late June, 2007, in which Bristol states:

    now im a mother duck for that baby!

    (For those who don't know, the " " is a "frowny face" indicating unhappiness.)

    This comment has caused quite a bit of private debate and discussion among those affiliated with this blog. Certainly, it is hard to say it is not significant: it is the second to last thing still available from Bristol on MySpace (only her "now I'm a slut" comment came later, by a couple of minutes) AND – good grief! - it mentions a baby!

    But what does it mean? It has been suggested that she is being forced to gestate a child, like a mother duck sitting on eggs. Several of the Palin Deception researchers subscribe to this theory, and find it extremely significant.

    It has also been suggested that, in spite of the timing, it has nothing to do with Bristol being pregnant or not pregnant. I for one find the use of the phrase "that baby" to indicate that she is talking about something separate from her, possibly a child (Piper, who was five at the time?) she was being forced to babysit for. (And ducklings follow mother ducks around constantly.)

    If Bristol Palin had said, " now im a mother duck for THIS baby!" I would be saying that I found it highly indicative of pregnancy. But the use of the word "that" to me means she is talking about something she is not happy about, something she has actual disdain for. Most teenaged women who become pregnant and decide to keep the baby tend to be excited about it (naively perhaps, but still excited.) The negative tone of this comment indicates to me that she is talking about something else. I do not know what.

    But I am presenting both sets of thoughts here, and the reader needs to decide for himself on this one.

    posted by Audrey at 9:45 AM
    http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2...art-three.html

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    I've been waiting for this latest update!

    I'm not quite sure about the final conclusions though (the mother duck comment). I agree with the inital 2 interpretations, but think the "that" might also mean that she had been informed that abortion was not an option and she would be having the child.

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    Is this really all she has? A few cryptic myspace comments? Audrey really built this up but IMO there's no payoff. There's absolutely nothing definitive about these comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    Is this really all she has? A few cryptic myspace comments? Audrey really built this up but IMO there's no payoff. There's absolutely nothing definitive about these comments.
    I think she's gotten caught up in the minutiae. I do think the information she has does tell a story, but it's not proof of anything. I just simply do not understand how they've gotten all these trashy teenagers to keep quiet- even agreeing to scrub their myspace pages. I still don't get why they covered up the pregnancy in the first place - only to scream the 2d pregnancy from the rooftops.

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    All inferential. I've already made my decision, but to skeptics this might seem less than convincing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    I still don't get why they covered up the pregnancy in the first place - only to scream the 2d pregnancy from the rooftops.
    Was Bristol a minor and the father a legal adult in the first pregnancy (if there was one)? Were they avoiding statutory rape charges? (This is assuming Levi was not the father of the first.)

    There was some gossip about her having an affair with one of the swimming coaches in her high school a couple of months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    I think she's gotten caught up in the minutiae. I do think the information she has does tell a story, but it's not proof of anything. I just simply do not understand how they've gotten all these trashy teenagers to keep quiet- even agreeing to scrub their myspace pages. I still don't get why they covered up the pregnancy in the first place - only to scream the 2d pregnancy from the rooftops.
    See that's been my confusion about this. I totally agree that its really easy to get caught up in the details and start to believe that X+Y=Z. But then I pull away and think, 'this is ridiculous.'

    The whole thing is so confusing. Overall, I'm inclined to think that Bristol is the mother of the first and second kid. But it is all wrong to go about proving it via cryptic MySpace messages that you build up the reveal for weeks.

    On the other hand, it boggles the mind that an entire city and state could keep the lid on a secret of this magnitude. I mean, if the theory is right, and Bristol transferred to a HS in Juneau when she was pregnant, why wouldn't we have heard from students/faculty there? It only takes 1 anon. source to bring others forward.

    I think that's my issue with this whole thing: the complete absence of ANY sources, anon. or otherwise.

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