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    Uh, NOBODY wants social security and medicare cuts except a minority of fucking nutjobs. The majority of americans are freaking the fuck out now that OBAMA put that on the chopping block.

    Also.. "ut Democratic lawmakers also know liberal discontent might undo them if they stray too far to the center."

    Stray too far to the center? They've governed from the center from the beginning, and have lurched to the right ever since! Wtf?

    This whole article is a pile of shit.
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    But Democratic lawmakers also know liberal discontent might undo them if they stray too far to the center.
    This is such bullshit. They know they have liberals by the balls. Who else are they going to vote for- the GOP? I mean, the GOP might keep us at war, add new wars, cut spending to important programs for the needy, spy on it's own citizens. The dems would never ever do such a thing.

    I admire the tea party, even as I dislike them. Their ousting of politicians in their own party who they felt weren't adhering to it's core beliefs is something that progressives should try.



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    Insane. The GOP got everything AND MORE that it wanted. Obama just kept offering up more and more and more.

    Your social safety net is basically gone.
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    Default The myth of Obama's "blunders" and "weakness"

    With the details of the pending debt deal now emerging (and for a very good explanation of the key terms, see this post by former Biden economic adviser Jared Bernstein), a consensus is solidifying that :

    (1) this is a virtually full-scale victory for the GOP and defeat for the President (who all along insisted on a "balanced" approach that included tax increases), but

    (2) the President, as usual, was too weak in standing up to right-wing intransigence -- or simply had no options given their willingness to allow default -- and was thus forced into this deal against his will. This depiction of Obama as occupying a largely powerless, toothless office incapable of standing up to Congress -- or, at best, that the bad outcome happened because he's just a weak negotiator who "blundered" -- is the one that is invariably trotted out to explain away most of the bad things he does.

    It appears to be true that the President wanted tax revenues to be part of this deal. But it is absolutely false that he did not want these brutal budget cuts and was simply forced -- either by his own strategic "blunders" or the "weakness" of his office -- into accepting them. The evidence is overwhelming that Obama has long wanted exactly what he got: these severe domestic budget cuts and even ones well beyond these, including Social Security and Medicare, which he is likely to get with the Super-Committee created by this bill (as Robert Reich described the bill: "No tax increases on rich yet almost certain cuts in Med[icare] and Social Security . . . . Ds can no longer campaign on R's desire to Medicare and Soc Security, now that O has agreed it").

    Last night, John Cole -- along with several others -- promoted this weak-helpless-President narrative by asking what Obama could possibly have done to secure a better outcome. Early this morning, I answered him by email, but as I see that this is the claim being pervasively used to explain Obama's acceptance of this deal -- he was forced into it by the Tea Party hostage-takers -- I'm reprinting that email I wrote here. For those who believe this narrative, please confront the evidence there; how anyone can claim in the face of all that evidence that the President was "forced" into making these cuts -- as opposed to having eagerly sought them -- is mystifying indeed. And, as I set forth there, there were ample steps he could have taken had he actually wanted leverage against the GOP; the very idea that negotiating steps so obvious to every progressive pundit somehow eluded the President and his vast army of advisers is absurd on its face.

    Here's The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn -- who, as he says, with some understatement, is usually "among [Obama's] staunchest defenders in situations like these" -- on what these guaranteed cuts mean (never mind the future cuts likely to come from the Super Committee):
    As Robert Greenstein, of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, pointed out in a recent statement about a different proposal, there’s just no way to enact spending reductions of this magnitude without imposing a lot of pain. And contrary to the common understanding in the Washington cocktail party circuit, “pain” does not simply mean offending certain political sensibilities. Pain means more people eating tainted food, more people breathing polluted air, more people pulling their kids out of college, and more people losing their homes -- in other words, the hardships people suffer when government can't do an adequate job of looking out for their interests.
    As I wrote back in April when progressive pundits in D.C. were so deeply baffled by Obama's supposed "tactical mistake" in not insisting on a clean debt ceiling increase, Obama's so-called "bad negotiating" or "weakness" is actually "shrewd negotiation" because he's getting what he actually wants (which, shockingly, is not always the same as what he publicly says he wants). In this case, what he wants -- and has long wanted, as he's said repeatedly in public -- are drastic spending cuts. In other words, he's willing -- eager -- to impose the "pain" Cohn describes on those who can least afford to bear it so that he can run for re-election as a compromise-brokering, trans-partisan deficit cutter willing to "take considerable heat from his own party."




    The myth of Obama's "blunders" and "weakness" - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com



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    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Turjm-iE-FU[/YOUTUBE]

    Wow, she looks amazing.

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    Didn't she look great? I didn't "see" her say anything except "Thank You", so it'll take a report from someone there as to how rehabilitated her language skills are, but just the fact that she was there was cause for celebration.
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    I'm sorry, was she voting for something without being intellectually capable? Who orchestrated that obscene farce?

    Disgusting.
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    Ok, so I'm scanning the news and don't see this deterimental earth shattering cut to Social Security. Why is everyone screaming fire?

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    Read more.
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    ^^ Helpful.

    What I read said it's tabled until another round. No cuts.

    Next round, if the deficit can't be reduced by a certain number they may consider raising the age and refiguring some cost of living index. Still not seeing the sky fall.

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    Keep reading, almost there.

    Try other places than the usual media news, who only give half the story and none of the analysis.
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    I don't see why you have to hide it from me.

    But srsly, I get why people are pissed it's even on the table, but so far, nothing has been cut.

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    Having Giffords there was cheap exploitative theater.



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    She wanted to be there - she requested to be there to vote. Nobody transported her there like a circus animal.
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    Could she even grasp wtf she was voting on?
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