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    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita
    That is just how I feel today too. fuck the world. *drifts back into stupor*
    Nods sympathetically and shares her pain drugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy
    Deckchick, I never said the war in Iraq was a good idea. So why don't YOU read before posting out of your ass. I see, the Middle East was so tidy before. Why don't you go lick Saddam's asshole while you're at it? Shove an American flag up there while you're at it.
    I see, the Middle East was so tidy before.

    The Middle East has been interfered and used by The Americans, the British and the French to name a few. And that has gone on for decades. It's the meddling in other countries affairs that has put America in the situation that it currently is in!

    Why don't you go lick Saddam's asshole while you're at it? Shove an American flag up there while you're at it.

    You are one angry motherfucker mushy, when in doubt, insult and talk like a tard....

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    I am sick and fucking tired of people like you who over-react to everything. As it so happens, I knew someone who died in 9/11.

    As always, you and people like you, are putting a lot of words in my mouth that I never said. This "discussion" is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    Why is it people continue to trot out the baseless and silly "You hate America and everything in it!" argument when I talk about the administrations and their misdeeds?
    Sometimes the political criticism bleeds into our people and culture, and there is no balance. When a person consistently presents a negative viewpoint on a subject, with no acknowlegement of anything positive, it's not a far stretch to conclude that the person has a negative attitude toward that subject.

    I gotta tell you guys, I love my country, and I love being American, but it's tough to be judged solely on the merits or demerits of the American government. I'm all for democracy, but something is seriously wrong here, because the same types of fuckhoses keep getting elected. If you want to piss me off, then tell me that I have no right to complain if I don't vote. Fuck you. I never relinquished my right to complain just because it's almost impossible for anybody to run for significant office unless they have the right money & know the right people. When I'm presented with no real choice in a presidential election, voting is like choosing the manner of my death.

    Electric shock or hanging?
    Um, electric shock please.

    I DO remember when I could be proud of my country and not feel ashamed of it. Maybe that's because I was a naive kid, or because media coverage is more comprehensive (i.e., factual) now. Maybe we're just worse now, I don't know. Maybe I'm being manipulated into feeling ashamed of myself for decisions I don't make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy
    Right back atcha.
    So the nonsense in my post is what, that the US didn't create Osama (if he's real) and all the funding, training, and arming, combined with imperialist meddling in the area didn't help 9/11 along?

    Please to be explaining how that's nonsense. Really. I'd like to see you spin your way out of this one.

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    You'll be in a wheelchair before you get an answer to that one, Grimmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobelia
    Sometimes the political criticism bleeds into our people and culture, and there is no balance. When a person consistently presents a negative viewpoint on a subject, with no acknowlegement of anything positive, it's not a far stretch to conclude that the person has a negative attitude toward that subject.

    I gotta tell you guys, I love my country, and I love being American, but it's tough to be judged solely on the merits or demerits of the American government. I'm all for democracy, but something is seriously wrong here, because the same types of fuckhoses keep getting elected. If you want to piss me off, then tell me that I have no right to complain if I don't vote. Fuck you. I never relinquished my right to complain just because it's almost impossible for anybody to run for significant office unless they have the right money & know the right people. When I'm presented with no real choice in a presidential election, voting is like choosing the manner of my death.

    Electric shock or hanging?
    Um, electric shock please.

    I DO remember when I could be proud of my country and not feel ashamed of it. Maybe that's because I was a naive kid, or because media coverage is more comprehensive (i.e., factual) now. Maybe we're just worse now, I don't know. Maybe I'm being manipulated into feeling ashamed of myself for decisions I don't make.

    I just want to live & let live.
    This was an excellent post Lobelia and expressed alot of what I meant to express and did not. Alot of us are trying and agree with SO MUCH of this outside criticism and analysis but in many ways our hands are tied. It is frustrating when these people, who you would like to consider allies in bringing about change, come across so consistently negatively about (what seems to be eventually) the United States itself, not it's government or failed policies. It almost seems like how can we work with them when they seem to denigrate and disrespect us so much? And that is how is does come across after a while. Maybe part of the problem is that so much of this is coming across to the already converted, not the ones needing converting.(think of the board that shall not be named). well anyway I appreciate your comment.
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    I think it's ok to feel un-proud of your country. I have a lot of things about my country and its history that I'm rather ashamed of. I think our (Japanese) Prime Minister is an idiot and a sleeze bucket, too.
    And at the same time, I also think it's ok to feel a little defensive when your country/gvt is criticized.
    I don't want anyone to feel hopeless and feel like you can't do anything to change. Don't stop voting because of it or anything.
    It's good to take an interest in politics and stand up for something you believe in!

    If you think it's crazy, you ain't seen a thing. Just wait until we're goin down in flames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobelia
    Sometimes the political criticism bleeds into our people and culture, and there is no balance. When a person consistently presents a negative viewpoint on a subject, with no acknowlegement of anything positive, it's not a far stretch to conclude that the person has a negative attitude toward that subject.

    I gotta tell you guys, I love my country, and I love being American, but it's tough to be judged solely on the merits or demerits of the American government. I'm all for democracy, but something is seriously wrong here, because the same types of fuckhoses keep getting elected. If you want to piss me off, then tell me that I have no right to complain if I don't vote. Fuck you. I never relinquished my right to complain just because it's almost impossible for anybody to run for significant office unless they have the right money & know the right people. When I'm presented with no real choice in a presidential election, voting is like choosing the manner of my death.

    Electric shock or hanging?
    Um, electric shock please.

    I DO remember when I could be proud of my country and not feel ashamed of it. Maybe that's because I was a naive kid, or because media coverage is more comprehensive (i.e., factual) now. Maybe we're just worse now, I don't know. Maybe I'm being manipulated into feeling ashamed of myself for decisions I don't make.

    I just want to live & let live.
    Lob, your patriotism warms my heart. You love your country just as I love mine. There is nothing wrong with the average American. I would never judge anyone by the politics of their native land, and I expect the same courtesy. I have said this a million times, but I truly do believe it, the silent majority of most countries are average people who just want to have a safe place to live and raise their kids... etc etc...

    It's a cold sad fact, the politicians seem to make us ordinary folks pay the highest price, whether it is watching our sons and daughters die in a war, or if it is more insidious like suicide bombers and their ilk.

    Don't EVER be ashamed to call yourself an American! Speak out when possible, sign petitions or go to rallies if that is what you feel you should do, but the sad reality is, Politics is Politics, and us average folks are the cannon fodder for the policies of them....
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    I DO remember when I could be proud of my country and not feel ashamed of it. Maybe that's because I was a naive kid, or because media coverage is more comprehensive (i.e., factual) now. Maybe we're just worse now, I don't know. Maybe I'm being manipulated into feeling ashamed of myself for decisions I don't make.
    Well stated Lobelia! Your entire post was spot on. I too love my country but deplore that I cannot feel openly proud of it any longer. Time for a change.

    I think one of the big problems with our government these days, at least the one I keep observing on a daily basis from where I live, in the shadow of Washington DC, is that the people we've elected are so completely far removed from the average Joe in this nation. You see it every day around here, for example, sitting in gridlock on the Beltway trying to drive into DC when along the shoulder comes a long back Lincoln with an escort moving about 95 miles an hour. That Lincoln has Senate plates and gets to zoom around traffic while you're stuck crawling along on your way to work. You stand in line waiting at a local restaurant while Congressman So-n-so jumps line and is swept forward. They live removed from everyone except their syncophants. How can they possibly know what the people think or feel about any issue except what their lackeys spoon feed them from highly skewed polls conducted to bolster whatever result they want. I've heard DC described as Hollywood for ugly people and I think it's a pretty fair comparision.

    When's the last time one of them had to go to the grocery store or wonder how they were going to balance working with home or been hit with unexpected expenses that robbed them of their sleep? How can someone who doesn't understand us possibly rule with any effectiveness or compassion?

    Of all the sitting presidents we've lived in the area during their administration oddly enough the most unpretentious and ordinary living were George and Barbara Bush. They drove around with the least security, were more approachable and less salacious gossip went around about them. I met them a few times and they seemed quite nice and not stuck up. I'm just not sure how those two managed to turn out an idiot like Dubya. The media reports stuff to the rest of the world but here we hear all the dirty little stories of the politicians that never make it into the papers. Remember all those stories of Hillary throwing lamps at Bill? True and rumored here for a few years before hitting the media.

    The games played in DC by the politicians are disgraceful too. They seem more interested sometimes in scoring points off the opposition instead of coming together to do what's in the best interests of the American people. Politics has turned into a game for millionaires and the social elite.

    As much as I deplore this war one of the biggest worries I have about it is the treatment of our returning troops. Is anyone here besides me old enough to remember Vietnam and the way returning soldiers were treated by the general public? They were spit upon, reviled and treated like criminals and the worst kind of scum because of the fact that the war was very unpopular, just like this one is. I hope that this doesn't turn into another Vietnam for our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UndercoverGator
    Well stated Lobelia! Your entire post was spot on. I too love my country but deplore that I cannot feel openly proud of it any longer. Time for a change.

    I think one of the big problems with our government these days, at least the one I keep observing on a daily basis from where I live, in the shadow of Washington DC, is that the people we've elected are so completely far removed from the average Joe in this nation. You see it every day around here, for example, sitting in gridlock on the Beltway trying to drive into DC when along the shoulder comes a long back Lincoln with an escort moving about 95 miles an hour. That Lincoln has Senate plates and gets to zoom around traffic while you're stuck crawling along on your way to work. You stand in line waiting at a local restaurant while Congressman So-n-so jumps line and is swept forward. They live removed from everyone except their syncophants. How can they possibly know what the people think or feel about any issue except what their lackeys spoon feed them from highly skewed polls conducted to bolster whatever result they want. I've heard DC described as Hollywood for ugly people and I think it's a pretty fair comparision.

    When's the last time one of them had to go to the grocery store or wonder how they were going to balance working with home or been hit with unexpected expenses that robbed them of their sleep? How can someone who doesn't understand us possibly rule with any effectiveness or compassion?

    Of all the sitting presidents we've lived in the area during their administration oddly enough the most unpretentious and ordinary living were George and Barbara Bush. They drove around with the least security, were more approachable and less salacious gossip went around about them. I met them a few times and they seemed quite nice and not stuck up. I'm just not sure how those two managed to turn out an idiot like Dubya. The media reports stuff to the rest of the world but here we hear all the dirty little stories of the politicians that never make it into the papers. Remember all those stories of Hillary throwing lamps at Bill? True and rumored here for a few years before hitting the media.

    The games played in DC by the politicians are disgraceful too. They seem more interested sometimes in scoring points off the opposition instead of coming together to do what's in the best interests of the American people. Politics has turned into a game for millionaires and the social elite.

    As much as I deplore this war one of the biggest worries I have about it is the treatment of our returning troops. Is anyone here besides me old enough to remember Vietnam and the way returning soldiers were treated by the general public? They were spit upon, reviled and treated like criminals and the worst kind of scum because of the fact that the war was very unpopular, just like this one is. I hope that this doesn't turn into another Vietnam for our country.
    You are so right about the Politicians being totally clueless, those asswipes should have to live like the rest of us, then maybe they would think a bit more.

    I barely remember the Vietnam war, but once I grew up I met a few vets, and the treatment and damage done to those poor guys just about broke my heart. A couple of them ended up dead because of the drugs they abused, nice habits started in Vietnam.

    I pray that the Americans have learned their lesson and treat the returning vets with the respect they deserve. They didn't start this war, they are just doing their duty.

    Excellent post UCG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushy
    Deckchick, I never said the war in Iraq was a good idea. So why don't YOU read before posting out of your ass. I see, the Middle East was so tidy before. Why don't you go lick Saddam's asshole while you're at it? Shove an American flag up there while you're at it.
    It's so refreshing to see such an intellectually stimulating debate. The part in bold text is especially insightful. Thanks, Mushy. I bet I could learn a lot from you.

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    Well you know what they say WH, when you can't rebut the argument, attack the person. Mushy would make a great politician...
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    UCG: YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! So much of your post was so damn brilliant. "D.C. is Hollywood for ugly people... Politics has turned into a game for millionaires and the social elite... " You, too, Lobelia. My cockles are warmed!

    I'm too young to really remember Vietnam vets coming home, but it's always baffled me why they were so reviled. I mean, THE DRAFT, people!! Some of those men didn't have any goddamn choice!!! And these men and women now? God, how I feel for them. Words cannot express my horror and anger at this administration for KILLING our men and women.

    I really really really really hope that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all their cronies, when all is said and done, get brought before a world court and charged with War Crimes. It would serve their sorry asses right and perhaps send a clear message to any future President et. al. that you ARE NOT above the law, and YOU DO have to answer to the American people, to the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by deckchick
    Well you know what they say WH, when you can't rebut the argument, attack the person. Mushy would make a great politician...
    Probably already is. I just threw up a little in my mouth. I guess that's why Mushy's such a cat-lover. Anybody that hostile needs proper stress management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyMix
    Of all things posted in this thread, I concur with this 110%.
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    This country used to be a glorious beacon of hope, the benchmark for what Freedom and Democracy truly mean. But now those assholes have pissed all over it and we're turning into a sick joke. <<--- how's that for a mixed metaphor? assholes, pissing? i think you guys still get my point, though...

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