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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    Why not beat him down in public so his many followers will see Rush for the ignorant piece of shit he is?
    That would be better progress in the right direction.

    It would make a funny Youtube clip

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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    Tons of people IN CONGRESS claimed to have not seen the Bill, including DEMOCRATS. No one but Reid, Pelosi, and OBama knew what was in it before it was voted on, that the thing takes forever to read, and a lot of it doesn't make much sense.

    Lawmakers didn’t read the stimulus bill before passing it
    CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote
    Again, they went over it line by line and somehow managed to not read it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    Tons of people IN CONGRESS claimed to have not seen the Bill, including DEMOCRATS. No one but Reid, Pelosi, and OBama knew what was in it before it was voted on, that the thing takes forever to read, and a lot of it doesn't make much sense.

    Lawmakers didn’t read the stimulus bill before passing it
    CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote
    Even though this is BS, it's their ignorance if they didn't read it!?
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    Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) predicted on Thursday that none of his Senate colleagues would "have the chance" to read the entire final version of the $790-billion stimulus bill before the bill comes up for a final vote in Congress.

    “No, I don’t think anyone will have the chance to [read the entire bill],” Lautenberg told CNSNews.com.

    The final bill, crafted by a House-Senate conference committee, was posted on the Website of the House Appropriations Committe late Thurday in two PDF files.

    The first PDF was 424 pages long and the second PDF was 575 pages long, making the total bill 999 pages long. The House is expected to vote on this 999-page bill Friday, and the Senate either later Friday or Saturday. [Editor's note: The first PDF, as posted on the House Appropriations Committee website as of 8:20 AM Friday morning, had grown by 72 pages to 496 pages, increasing the length of the total document to 1,071 pages.]

    Of the several senators that CNSNews.com interviewed on Thursday, only Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) claimed to have read the entire bill--and he was speaking of the preliminary version that had been approved by the Senate, not the final 999-page version that the House-Senate conference committee was still haggling over on Thursday afternoon.

    When CNSNews.com asked members of both parties on Capitol Hill on Thursday whether they had read the full, final bill, not one member could say, "Yes."

    And only one--Voinovich--volunteered that he had actually read the version of the bill that had passed the Senate.

    Both Republicans and Democrats told CNSNews.com they were eager to read the unseen bill--once they could get get their hands on a copy of the final legislation.

    Nonetheless, members from both sides of the aisle in both the House and Senate admitted they doubted they would have adequate time to read the bill before they actually voted for it.

    “Certainly I hope to have the opportunity to go through [the bill] before the vote takes place,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) told CNSNews.com. “But that’s something I’ve found doesn’t always happen around here.”

    Some lawmakers said one of the reasons they would not vote for the bill was because there would be no time to study it before it came up for a vote.

    “The Democrats have thrown this at us very last-minute,” said Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.). “That’s why the rule of thumb in the United States Congress should be, ‘When in doubt, vote no,’ because the devil is in the details and that’s why this stimulus is not worthy of support.”

    Rep. John Boozman (R-Ark.) shared that sentiment. “The American public expects for us to get in and know what we’re voting on,” Boozman said. “But there are very few members from Congress that are going to have time to actually read this thing.”

    “This is not light reading,” Boozman added. “It’s difficult reading, it involves policy and things.”

    “Right now, because of those things, I will probably vote against it,” he added.

    Sen. Roland Burris (D-Ill.), President Barack Obama's successor in the Senate, seemed baffled by the thought of actually reading the entire bill--as did his press secretary.

    “I think it’s about 800 pages,” Burris's press secretary said before laughing lightly. “We’ll do the best we can.”

    Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said that due to the hasty process, he may not have time to read the whole bill.

    “I will, as much as I can, get through all the changes that occurred in the conference committee,” says Thune.

    “That’s assuming we have time to review it prior to the vote,” he added, “This is a very rushed process, the whole process, starting from the beginning has been very rushed.”

    Voinovich, the only member of Congress who told CNSNews.com that he had taken the time to read through every line of the stimulus bill that had been initially approved by the Senate, said he planned to do the same for the final version of the bill that had been approved by the House-Senate conference committee.

    But the Ohio Republican wasn’t sure if his colleagues would be as meticulous as he had been. “I don’t know,” he said, when asked if he thought others would read every line of the bill. “You’ll have to ask them.”

    The bill is expected to land on President Obama’s desk no later than Monday, and the president is expected to sign it into law--whether the nation's lawmakers have read it or not.
    CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) predicted on Thursday that none of his Senate colleagues would "have the chance" to read the entire final version of the $790-billion stimulus bill before the bill comes up for a final vote in Congress.

    “No, I don’t think anyone will have the chance to [read the entire bill],” Lautenberg told CNSNews.com.

    The final bill, crafted by a House-Senate conference committee, was posted on the Website of the House Appropriations Committe late Thurday in two PDF files.

    The first PDF was 424 pages long and the second PDF was 575 pages long, making the total bill 999 pages long. The House is expected to vote on this 999-page bill Friday, and the Senate either later Friday or Saturday. [Editor's note: The first PDF, as posted on the House Appropriations Committee website as of 8:20 AM Friday morning, had grown by 72 pages to 496 pages, increasing the length of the total document to 1,071 pages.]

    Of the several senators that CNSNews.com interviewed on Thursday, only Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) claimed to have read the entire bill--and he was speaking of the preliminary version that had been approved by the Senate, not the final 999-page version that the House-Senate conference committee was still haggling over on Thursday afternoon.

    When CNSNews.com asked members of both parties on Capitol Hill on Thursday whether they had read the full, final bill, not one member could say, "Yes."

    And only one--Voinovich--volunteered that he had actually read the version of the bill that had passed the Senate.

    Both Republicans and Democrats told CNSNews.com they were eager to read the unseen bill--once they could get get their hands on a copy of the final legislation.

    Nonetheless, members from both sides of the aisle in both the House and Senate admitted they doubted they would have adequate time to read the bill before they actually voted for it.

    “Certainly I hope to have the opportunity to go through [the bill] before the vote takes place,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) told CNSNews.com. “But that’s something I’ve found doesn’t always happen around here.”

    Some lawmakers said one of the reasons they would not vote for the bill was because there would be no time to study it before it came up for a vote.

    “The Democrats have thrown this at us very last-minute,” said Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.). “That’s why the rule of thumb in the United States Congress should be, ‘When in doubt, vote no,’ because the devil is in the details and that’s why this stimulus is not worthy of support.”

    Rep. John Boozman (R-Ark.) shared that sentiment. “The American public expects for us to get in and know what we’re voting on,” Boozman said. “But there are very few members from Congress that are going to have time to actually read this thing.”

    “This is not light reading,” Boozman added. “It’s difficult reading, it involves policy and things.”

    “Right now, because of those things, I will probably vote against it,” he added.

    Sen. Roland Burris (D-Ill.), President Barack Obama's successor in the Senate, seemed baffled by the thought of actually reading the entire bill--as did his press secretary.

    “I think it’s about 800 pages,” Burris's press secretary said before laughing lightly. “We’ll do the best we can.”

    Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said that due to the hasty process, he may not have time to read the whole bill.

    “I will, as much as I can, get through all the changes that occurred in the conference committee,” says Thune.

    “That’s assuming we have time to review it prior to the vote,” he added, “This is a very rushed process, the whole process, starting from the beginning has been very rushed.”

    Voinovich, the only member of Congress who told CNSNews.com that he had taken the time to read through every line of the stimulus bill that had been initially approved by the Senate, said he planned to do the same for the final version of the bill that had been approved by the House-Senate conference committee.

    But the Ohio Republican wasn’t sure if his colleagues would be as meticulous as he had been. “I don’t know,” he said, when asked if he thought others would read every line of the bill. “You’ll have to ask them.”

    The bill is expected to land on President Obama’s desk no later than Monday, and the president is expected to sign it into law--whether the nation's lawmakers have read it or not.
    CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote
    Sweetie, it's a conservative based news site...
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    All these Congressmen have aides. The aides help read the bills and advise on them.

    Plus, it's called skimming. I could skim through the bill in a couple of hours and highlight things that concerned me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *DIVA! View Post
    Sweetie, it's a conservative based news site...
    That may be true...but the news site didn't make the comments up. They are direct quotes from both Dem's and Repubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    Oh, so since it's conservative, obviously the fact that they didn't read the final bill doesn't matter...your bias is showing. Just because they are conservative doesn't mean they can't make valid points.
    No, I just know the process and that ALL of them had opportunities to read this Bill! And, I do know the any right news site will skew it so their side looks like it's right!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    All 1,000+ pages? Be my guest, I would love to hear what you think of it.
    No, thanks. I don't get paid to read long-ass bills. Congressmen do.

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    That is the problem! They are PAID to read these bills, and they didn't! Big problem!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    HOw about all those tax cheats in high places? How about saying he would let people read the bills before they voted on them? How about the fact he is closing Gitmo? Releasing terrorist, yeah, that's a great idea! How about Chavez telling Obama to come out of the Socialist Closet? How bout the whole stem cell thing...in case you didn't know, a lot of time, those cells cause tumors or cancer. There was a reason why embryonic stem cell research was shit canned the first time! How about the fact that Obama is wiling to meet with terrorist world leaders without preconditions, but won't sit down for an interview with anyone from Fox or Limbaugh..hum, why is he scared of them? how about the 90 million going to Gaza inthe "Stimulus" Bill? How do that stimulate our economy?! Tons of things he is doing wrong!

    Yes, Bush made lots of mistakes. No arguments there. But Bush is gone, and now Obama is in charge. And he is making mistakes. All the articles about Michelle in a soup kitchen aren't going to fix that.
    Kathy, I'm going to do you a real favor here and tell you to step away from the computer and go to school. I am very serious here. We cannot allow you into the adult world this way.

    1) Let people read bills - are you aware that CONGRESS writes bills, not Obama? Are you aware that the budget bill currently being derided by the right was written and negotiated in December. Pop quiz, when did Obama become President?
    2) I cannot even follow your stem cell argument. Stem Cells are blank cells that can grow into any bodily cells. If scientists turn them into cancerous cells - in a research lab - it is because they are studying ways to cure cancer. Are you somehow thinking that scientists walk up to random people and inject them with stem cells and those cells turn into cancer? Read a book honey.
    3) Obama never said he would meet with terrorist leaders without precondition. He did, however, say that the US did not have a mandate from the world to decide what leaders we like and don't like as some sort of authority to go in and remove leaders of sovereign nations. He did, however, say that diplomacy with leaders of sovereign nations would serve us well and he would negotiate with those leaders. Bushie and friends may label disfovered leaders (even dictators) as terrorists, but those people are leaders of sovreign and independent countries, they do not answer to the US and diplomacy will tend to work better than starting 3d, 4th, 5th or even 6th wars.

    Now, that's just a little taste of how education can lead to rational thought and communication. By the way, when Obama was a candidate, he was interviewed by Fox and Limbaugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    Tons of people IN CONGRESS claimed to have not seen the Bill, including DEMOCRATS. No one but Reid, Pelosi, and OBama knew what was in it before it was voted on, that the thing takes forever to read, and a lot of it doesn't make much sense.

    Lawmakers didn’t read the stimulus bill before passing it
    CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote
    Kathy, do you really think that every member of Congress reads every line of every bill they propose? No, that's what their (very large) staff does for them to whittle it down to the salient points.

    How is this Obama's bill? Precisely? Isn't it basically the baby of Congress?

    Why, oh, why are you buying into the news that promotes the most delicious hysteria for you? Does it really feel that good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    How about the fact that Obama is wiling to meet with terrorist world leaders without preconditions, but won't sit down for an interview with anyone from Fox or Limbaugh..hum, why is he scared of them?
    Obama met with Rupert Murdoch over the summer and sat down for an interview with Bill O'Reilly BEFORE the election. So, I doubt he's scared of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    Why not beat him down in public so his many followers will see Rush for the ignorant piece of shit he is?
    That would be better progress in the right direction.
    Why should the President of the United States sit down and debate a radio talk show host?

    If that was feasible then Bush should have sat down and debated Michael Moore after Fahrenheit 911 was released.

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    I find the ignorance more frightening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Obama met with Rupert Murdoch over the summer and sat down for an interview with Bill O'Reilly BEFORE the election. So, I doubt he's scared of them

    [youtube]K5rfc54il6Q[/youtube]



    Why should the President of the United States sit down and debate a radio talk show host?

    If that was feasible then Bush should have sat down and debated Michael Moore after Fahrenheit 911 was released.
    Because people see him more than a talk show host. It seems to me like a lot of the fundies are seeing Rush as their President. I am not saying he should debate Rush, I think he does have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I do think, if Rush wants to keep pushing the issue, that Obama should just go ahead and blow all his idiotic theories all to hell.

    But, that being said, I don't think the President should think he's above speaking to a talk show host either. Hell, if Michelle can stoop down to shoveling food to unknowns, then Obama should be able to talk to a well known man.

    And no one mentioned Bush. Bush was an idiot, plain and simple.

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