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    so you think people should vote for palin next time round?
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    Obama is a lying sack of shit, I got an email just now about new tax hikes that weren't supposed to happen. And now I'm going to be taxed on the portion that my company pays for my insurance.... money I never even fucking see? Jesus, do they want everyone to give up fucking insurance?
    One of the surprises we'll find come next year, is what follows - - a little
    "surprise" that 99% of us had no idea was included in the
    "new and improved" healthcare legislation . . . the
    dupes, er, dopes, who backed this administration will be astonished!

    Starting in 2011, (next year folks), your W-2 tax form sent by
    your employer will be increased to show t
    he value of whatever
    health insurance you are given by the company.
    It does not
    matter if that's a private concern or governmental body of some sort.

    If you're retired? So what; your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

    You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen.


    Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross

    does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.

    For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.
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    I keep hoping Ted Nugent will sue her for trademark infringement:


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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    so you think people should vote for palin next time round?
    Don't be absurd. I just think voting for someone marginally less evil (while they still are very evil) is stupid.

    Until people are willing to break out of the 2 party trap where both sides say "the other is worse, vote for me!" and then don't deliver anything they promise because they don't have to.... it will never change.

    Vote for who represents your interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I keep hoping Ted Nugent will sue her for trademark infringement:

    Ted is much prettier.
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    grimm, i'm surprised you have this much faith in the average voter. maybe i'm too cynical but i don't think the average voter even really understands the issues, or even knows for certain which party best represents his/her interests. it's obvious when you see the reasons people vote for one candidate or another, it always has to do with which one they 'like' better, not so much what they stand for. or to punish the party in power by voting for their opposition.
    winston churchill said it best: "the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."
    (ok, he also said "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others", or words to that effect but i still think the first quote is very true.)

    and yes, voting for someone because they're less evil than the alternative is stupid. but it's even more stupid to not vote at all or to vote for a third party that doesn't stand a chance because that's just giving more votes to the evillest party.
    it will be years before there is a viable third party option in the US, if there ever is one. the republicans and the democrats have ensured that the political system favours the 2 traditional parties and it would take a miracle for any third candidate to secure enough funding to really make a difference.
    ross perot is the one who's come close, but only because he was rich and crazy enough to pay for a big chunk of his campaign. and bill clinton got elected in part because ross took more votes away from the repubs more than from the dems.

    what i'm saying is, the two-party system is so entrenched in US politics that it isn't realistic to expect people break out of the mould and vote for a third party candidate. especially when third party candidates are so poorly funded they can't even campaign in all states and therefore don't stand a chance. it will take a long time for that to change, unless there's some kind of political miracle and a viable alternative turns up with the funding and the charisma to woo people away from their comfort zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Don't be absurd. I just think voting for someone marginally less evil (while they still are very evil) is stupid.

    Until people are willing to break out of the 2 party trap where both sides say "the other is worse, vote for me!" and then don't deliver anything they promise because they don't have to.... it will never change.

    Vote for who represents your interests.
    Or vote for who is going to appoint justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, which will eventually decide these cases. With Dems in power, you have justices like Sotomayor and (pending) Elena Kagan, who will decide cases from the left. With Republicans in power, you will get more John Roberts and Samuel Alitos. Or, God forbid, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia.

    The next justice most likely to retire is Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who has already been treated for colon cancer and (early stage) pancreatic cancer. If a Republican President is in office to replace her, say goodbye to any more liberal opinions on the Supreme Court for the next 15 years.

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    ^^^
    good point. that's also definitely true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    Well, I for one am glad that that is false!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Or vote for who is going to appoint justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, which will eventually decide these cases. With Dems in power, you have justices like Sotomayor and (pending) Elena Kagan, who will decide cases from the left. With Republicans in power, you will get more John Roberts and Samuel Alitos. Or, God forbid, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia.
    Kennedy's the wild card on this one.



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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Kennedy's the wild card on this one.
    I agree, and we're lucky that he's a wild card, considering a) he's a Republican nominee, and b) he was nominated only after Robert Bork (who would have been a disaster for liberals) was rejected.

    As far as I can tell, Democratic nominees to the USSC vote reliably to the left, while Republican nominees "can" sometimes backfire dramatically -- John Paul Stevens (Ford) and David Souter (Bush 1) being the most notable examples. But who wants to count on that happening again?

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    Uh Sotomayer isn't a guarantee thanks to the catholic crap and Kagan is a total blank slate with no decisions or opinions under her belt

    It's not like Obama is appointing liberal judges.. he's appointing middle of the road quasi questionable ones. The court is still skewed to the right as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I agree, and we're lucky that he's a wild card, considering a) he's a Republican nominee, and b) he was nominated only after Robert Bork (who would have been a disaster for liberals) was rejected.

    As far as I can tell, Democratic nominees to the USSC vote reliably to the left, while Republican nominees "can" sometimes backfire dramatically -- John Paul Stevens (Ford) and David Souter (Bush 1) being the most notable examples. But who wants to count on that happening again?
    What you're basically saying is that the Democrats vote along the party lines and sometimes the Republicans will go against the party? How is one less evil?
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    ^^^
    because they only occasionally go against the party line. but again, it's a question of lesser evils. a fully republican appointed court would be a disaster of epic proportions.
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