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    Let's settle this once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    For the most part, the Dems are in the center, but lean to the left on certain issues like healthcare. If the Dems were strictly to the left, they wouldn't have regained the White House or taken control of Congress.

    The vast majority of people in America aren't strictly to the left or to the right. Most hover somewhere in the center, leaning conservative on some issues and liberal on others. And the biggest voting bloc, independents, fall into that 'centrist' category.

    And the Green Party is a left-leaning party, and they don't win, which proves that being strictly to the left isn't going to win you elections. And as the GOP has found out, being strictly to the right doesn't help you win elections either.
    I wouldn't go so far to say that the Greens DON'T win because most of the elections they've been involved in are at the local level, which doesn't get as much press, as a national or federal office. Their level of success really varies by each state.

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    ^ I'll assume he means viable parties.

    We do have smaller, more specific parties of course, but our media makes them all into a big joke, tries to show their candidates to be crazies, or doesn't cover them at all. It's one of the (many) things I hate about the MSM. We exclude them from debates, which is another problem. The whole system is broken.
    Yeah, if we allowed a few other parties to the table in the media, then I think the two main parties, Repubs & Dems, would probably lose some members in the scheme of things. Some of the members of the Dems' progressive caucus would probably fit right in the Green Party, but they clearly chose to be Dems because it's an easier way to get elected to office. Plenty of Repubs would be better off, platform-wise, with the Libertarian Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    Let's settle this once and for all.

    I don't need that, my internet wang is 3 times the size AND i provided data to back up my argument.

    That means I am, and always will be, a strong independent sassy black woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    No, im pointing out reality. It's not a kick. IT'S REALITY.

    I love how you just dismiss it like it's some personal vendetta. It's not. Would you like to to litter the thread with poll images reflecting the accuracy of what I just said?

    Actually, let me go one better. Here are ALL THE POLLS compiled together in one big pattern.

    Pollster.com: National Job Approval: Pres. Barack Obama


    It's a fact. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but get over it. Seriously.
    Whatever, Grim. And trust me, you're NOT hurting my feelings. Frankly, I could care less whether you like the man or not. No skin off my back either way.

    The fact is I'm done arguing with people who have an ax to grind with Obama because it's pointless and goes nowhere. I've been having the same arguments since the primaries, and after an argument with an ex-friend who turned out to be a birther I realized enough was enough.

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    Wanting him to enact the agenda he ran on = ax to grind

    Wanting him to follow through on the promises he made = ax to grind

    Wanting him to stop caving to the GOP = ax to grind.

    LOL.

    Whatever.

    I guess all the people who are pissed off at him for the above are birthers or just the "left of the left" as obama himself puts it?

    No.

    They're the people who voted for him. All those millions. They don't have an ax to grind, they had hope in his 'change' and they're losing it now and the polls are reflecting that. Nevermind that the usually dimwitted mainstream media has picked up on it, nevermind that the real nuts are out there carrying guns to meetings and calling him Hitler, nevermind that the once dead GOP smells blood and is circling madly. Nooo.. that's not his administration's fault at all, somehow.

    To you and him it's an ax to grind, or they're birthers, or whatever else. It's not his fault or his administration's incompetence or inability to hold the message and inability or unwillingness to fight back against the GOP slime machine. Nope. it's an ax to grind.

    That's a bit kool-aid sounding.
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    Nice try, Grim. But you're not getting the argument you're looking for. I meant what I said. I'm done having the same argument over and over and over again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I wouldn't go so far to say that the Greens DON'T win because most of the elections they've been involved in are at the local level, which doesn't get as much press, as a national or federal office. Their level of success really varies by each state.
    But the Green Party doesn't win the important elections, which are on the national & state level.

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    I know you do, but it's patently wrong and seems somewhat oblivious to fact and reality.
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    I'm with King on this. I'm not happy with everything Obama has done, but I'm a centrist and pretty happy. I'm also patient and don't expect miracles. I think he is trying to get a non-partisn health bill passed, when that won't work, he'll shove one through.
    If I can't be a good example, then let me be a horrible warning.

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    I'm with Grimm. People voted for Obama because of his platform. He has the majority in Congress to back him up and he's waffling trying to make nice with Republicans who want nothing more than to see him fail. It's pathetic and he needs to grow some balls. He's just afraid of that "socialist" label they're trying to stick on him. I for one am sick and tired of all this labeling...ideas are ideas and some are better than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nana55 View Post
    I'm with King on this. I'm not happy with everything Obama has done, but I'm a centrist and pretty happy. I'm also patient and don't expect miracles. I think he is trying to get a non-partisn health bill passed, when that won't work, he'll shove one through.
    Exactly. Some people deluded themselves into believing that Obama was a liberal, which he isn't. Some of the liberals I know were complaining during the campaign about him shifting to the center. And the fact that he made it clear that he was going to amp up the war in Afghanistan, was against gay marriage, and had no plans to prosecute anyone from the Bush Administration should've been the first clues he wasn't a liberal. So, I don't know why people act surprised and shocked when he doesn't govern as a liberal?

    Now, I've hated the clusterfuck way he's handled this healthcare issue, dumping cash into the banks with no strings and this wasted attempt at bipartisanship with the GOP. But, then again, he promised bipartisanship on his platform and ending the gridlock in Washington. Of course, the bipartisanship has turned out to be a complete waste of time and needs to be stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    I'm with Grimm. People voted for Obama because of his platform. He has the majority in Congress to back him up and he's waffling trying to make nice with Republicans who want nothing more than to see him fail. It's pathetic and he needs to grow some balls. He's just afraid of that "socialist" label they're trying to stick on him. I for one am sick and tired of all this labeling...ideas are ideas and some are better than others.
    I'm with Grimm on this one too. That's not to say that Obama hasn't done any good, but this health care fight should have been a walk in the park. There was a ready-made villain in the health care companies heading into this legislation. Instead, Obama decided to let Rahm negotiate with the drug & health care industry solely for the purpose of keeping campaign dollars out of the GOP war chest. What a fucking sham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    And America deserved what it got with Dubya, especially in 2004.

    But I blame Al Gore for what happened in 2000. If he hadn't distanced himself from Clinton then the election wouldn't have come down to Florida. I mean, Gore couldn't even carry his own home state.
    Yeah, Gore should have won it in a landslide. I think 2004 was mostly residual fear about 9/11. I bet bin Laden knew exactly what he was doing when he popped up a few days before the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visitor42 View Post
    Yeah, Gore should have won it in a landslide. I think 2004 was mostly residual fear about 9/11. I bet bin Laden knew exactly what he was doing when he popped up a few days before the election.
    Agree about the residual fear and Bin Laden. But another reason why Dubya won was because he made gay marriage a wedge issue. I know people who HATED Dubya, but voted for him in 2004 because they agreed with his stance on gay marriage.

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