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    ^ Yes, I understand what you mean.

    But the GOP "base" (extremist nutters) is in the same boat as the Dem "base" (extremist progs). Where are they going to go? To the other party?

    It's the moderates (in both parties) and independents that decide elections. Those are the voters who can be won over. The extreme wings of both parties will always vote along party lines.
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    Moderates & independents may decide national elections; however, in many states, only Republican party members are allowed to vote in presidential primaries. All the GOP candidates pitch & speak to the base, because without it they cannot win the nomination. That's why moderates like Romney, because he's not a nutjob. The Republican National Convention platform has gotten more and more conservative from 2000 to 2008. Dems' platform was more centrist than progressive, which allowed to be more appealing to independents.

    Republican moderates are getting harder and harder to find.

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    ^^If the GOP continues to allow the conservatives and right-wing nutjobs to control their party then moderates like Romney won't stand a chance. These days the GOP considers 'moderate' Republicans 'liberals' and blame them for what's wrong with the party.

    The Dems will still be able to grab the bulk of the independent voters as long as they stay center-left and don't shift to the far-left. Because if the Dems shift to the far-left they'll alienate the moderate and conservative Dems as well as independents.

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    they aren't center left NOW and all the independents are leaving Obama in droves because he won't fucking push his agenda and caves to the GOP at every opportunity.

    He's suffered a 20 point drop due liberals and independents taking off!
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    They haven't been center left since LBJ and the days of the 'war on poverty' and the 'great society'. That was well over 40 years ago. And even he was only left leaning on those issues.

    And while the GOP nutters might want an extremist as a candidate, they won't get one (McCain certainly wasn't one, even douchebag Dubya wasn't an extremist). And as far as conservatives go (and they aren't the same as the nutters) we haven't had a real conservative run since Goldwater.

    And they will still vote Repub, because to their way of thinking a moderate repub is still better than a dem. But a moderate repub can siphon off some of those independent votes- and there are much more independents than libs. It's real true libs who'll be left with no one to vote for, if they feel the dems abandoned them.
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    they feel like that now. there is no real left party in the US.

    I wish people would realize that.

    I'm not talking fringe commie left either, i'm talking just plain REAL left. It doesn't exist.
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    ^ you're 100% right. another inherent problem with our shitty two party system. 300 Million people- two parties- makes no sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    they feel like that now. there is no real left party in the US.

    I wish people would realize that.

    I'm not talking fringe commie left either, i'm talking just plain REAL left. It doesn't exist.
    The Green Party isn't a left party? I know they're not a big party, but they're certainly not a bunch of centrists.

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    ^ I'll assume he means viable parties.

    We do have smaller, more specific parties of course, but our media makes them all into a big joke, tries to show their candidates to be crazies, or doesn't cover them at all. It's one of the (many) things I hate about the MSM. We exclude them from debates, which is another problem. The whole system is broken.
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    How are the Dems not center-left? And if they aren't center-left, then where are they? Because healthcare reform wouldn't be on the table at all if they were just to the center.

    Just because the Dems aren't pushing a strictly liberal agenda doesn't mean they aren't center-left. And in case some have forgotten the Democratic Party is made up of liberals, moderates and conservatives. I don't know why people keep thinking that the Democrats are the liberal party when they aren't. Hell, most of the Dems in Congress aren't card-carrying liberals.

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    Dems = exactly in the center. Seriously. That's where they govern from, that's where they end up, that's why they're obsessed with playing nice with the GOP who doesn't give a flying fuck, that's why they cave and fall apart and accomplish NOTHING.

    There is no viable left leaning party.
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    For the most part, the Dems are in the center, but lean to the left on certain issues like healthcare. If the Dems were strictly to the left, they wouldn't have regained the White House or taken control of Congress.

    The vast majority of people in America aren't strictly to the left or to the right. Most hover somewhere in the center, leaning conservative on some issues and liberal on others. And the biggest voting bloc, independents, fall into that 'centrist' category.

    And the Green Party is a left-leaning party, and they don't win, which proves that being strictly to the left isn't going to win you elections. And as the GOP has found out, being strictly to the right doesn't help you win elections either.

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    uh, again the centrists and independents AND progressives are leaving Obama in droves. 20 point loss in 8 months is unheard of.

    They're pissed that he is not enacting his agenda. His agenda, as stated, is not a center agenda.
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    Grim, you're still stuck on this 24/7 'failbama' kick, which is cool. But I'm not getting into another tiresome debate about Obama with you, because it's a waste of time. So, if that's what you're looking for, it's not happening.

    And the Dems as a party, not just Obama, are taking a hit in the polls because of both his & their clusterfuck handling of healthcare reform and the economy not recovering fast enough.

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    No, im pointing out reality. It's not a kick. IT'S REALITY.

    I love how you just dismiss it like it's some personal vendetta. It's not. Would you like to to litter the thread with poll images reflecting the accuracy of what I just said?

    Actually, let me go one better. Here are ALL THE POLLS compiled together in one big pattern.

    Pollster.com: National Job Approval: Pres. Barack Obama


    It's a fact. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but get over it. Seriously.
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