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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzler View Post
    Remind me to never, under any circumstance, go to Oklahoma. After that Sally Kern bullshit over a year ago, I think it's safe to say that that state is all but lost.
    I had no idea who she was but thanks to google my blood pressure just went up a few notches.
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    OK is just trying to keep AZ from winning the crazy race.
    Tea baggers want to fight the Man because the Man doesn't look like them.

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    And they're both working hard to relegate Ohio to third place and Florida to fourth.
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    So if a doctor is anti choice he or she doesn't have to divulge the information to a woman that her newborn baby will be born a vegetable. I fail to see how this doesn't infringe upon a woman's legal right to choose for herself. Besides, just because a woman can watch an ultrasound doesn't mean she will be able to see whether or not her baby is healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    No exceptions for rape and incest victims?
    That's the least offensive part in my opinion. If you're pro-life it's disingenuous to pick and choose and you should own that forcing a rape victim to carry a child is the consequence of taking choice away from women.

    The withholding of information from patients is unconscionable. What's next - not telling a patient that she has cancer because she might choose a treatment that's detrimental to her fertility or to her unborn child if she happens to be pregnant? Not telling an Alzheimer's patient just in case they're tempted to commit suicide before the true suffering sets in? There is NO excuse for a law like that.

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    I agree that rape and incest cases are only part of the story but to say that they are gong to be refused info is just cruel and unusual punishment. Are you going to make a 14 year old girl who has been impregnated by her father carry a child to term? HowĘs that going to work out assholes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    I had no idea who she was but thanks to google my blood pressure just went up a few notches.
    Yeah, she's loathsome. I was actually born in McAlester, OK and I'll never go back thanks to stories like this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    I agree that rape and incest cases are only part of the story but to say that they are gong to be refused info is just cruel and unusual punishment. Are you going to make a 14 year old girl who has been impregnated by her father carry a child to term? HowĘs that going to work out assholes?
    Not well. And if they had their way, the father would have to sign off on the procedure too. Bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    And they're both working hard to relegate Ohio to third place and Florida to fourth.
    Ohio? Since getting rid of Blackwell, Ohio hasn't even been in the top 10. Florida's slipping, but Rubio could put them back into contention.
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    Fair enough on the political front but when it comes to crazy, no one does it like Ohio.
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    Attorneys agree to block on Oklahoma abortion law - Yahoo! News

    Attorneys agree to block on Oklahoma abortion law

    By TIM TALLEY, Associated Press Writer Tim Talley, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 56 mins ago

    OKLAHOMA CITY ľ Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson has agreed to a court order requested by abortion providers to temporarily block enforcement of a new state law, which requires women to get an ultrasound and hear a detailed description of the fetus.

    The agreement was announced Monday, before a scheduled hearing in Oklahoma County District Court on the request for a temporary restraining order by the Center for Reproductive Rights. District Judge Noma Gurich said attorneys for both sides told her they would accept the order.

    Gurich says she will now schedule a hearing for sometime in July on a request for a temporary injunction against the law. An injunction would extend the restraining order. She said she expected to sign the temporary restraining order later Monday.

    Tony Lauinger, state chairman of the group Oklahomans for Life and vice president of the National Right to Life Committee, expressed disappointment.

    "We're sorry to see implementation of the law delayed" Lauinger said. "This has been a long process and apparently it will be a little longer."

    Lauinger said he believes the law will eventually be upheld.

    The abortion law went into effect last week after the state House and Senate overrode Gov. Brad Henry's veto of the bill.

    The person who performs the ultrasound must describe the dimensions of the fetus, whether arms, legs and internal organs are visible and whether the physician can detect cardiac activity. He or she must also turn a screen depicting the images toward the woman so she can see them.

    A lawsuit was filed by the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights on behalf of two Oklahoma abortion providers, Nova Health Systems, operator of Reproductive Services of Tulsa, and Dr. Larry Burns, who the group said provides abortions in Norman.

    The Center for Reproductive rights has said the law is among the nation's strictest measures against abortion. It said the ultrasound requirement intrudes upon a patient's privacy and forces a woman to hear information that may not be relevant to her medical care. The group also believes it could interfere with the doctor-patient relationship by compelling physicians to deliver unwanted speech.

    Lauinger said the measure is an attempt to save the lives of unborn children and prevent psychological trauma to pregnant woman.

    Officials at Reproductive Services of Tulsa have said the requirements of the law had drawn emotional responses from patients. They said some patients have left the room where ultrasounds procedures are performed in tears because of what they had to hear.
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