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    Maybe if it's going to be televised everyone with kids at these schools that won't show it should keep their kids home to watch. It'd be great if the school had only like, a handful of fundie kids running around that day.
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    I love watching the woman CRYING (yes, crying) on CNN because she can't believe that the President is doing this to THE CHILDREN!!! She's not allowing her kids to go to school!!! Whhhhahhhh!

    What are the fundies afraid of?? That what Obama says will stick in their fragile heads for the rest of their lives? That they'll think he's an OK guy? That they'll get pissed at home when mommy and daddy talk about how awful the left is?? I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsDark View Post
    I'm ready to pare down my facebook friend list to the bare bones cause everyone and his brother has been shitting bricks over this and my whole goddamned wall has been littered up with "No!" responses to that stupid "Should President Obama be allowed to speak to our fragile little flowers without our say so?" FaceBook Poll all mother-fucking day.

    People are such goddamned idiots it's mind-blowing.
    You need some better facebook friends. I see the opposite with my friends.
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    Today's Lesson: Undermining a Black Man's Authority in 2009
    by Natalie Holder-Winfield

    After President Obama's historic election win, the premature declaration of the day was that America was a post racial society. Both, the well meaning and impatient, were eager to put America's shameful history of discrimination and harassment against racial groups--particularly Blacks--behind them. How could America still see racial differences if it elected a Black President? How could Corporate America still engage in and suffer from racial inequalities? After nine months of having a Black President, we can see the head of a new movement crowning.

    For the last 24 hours, the brouhaha over President Obama's back-to-school speech to schoolchildren has grown from silly to serious
    . At last check, school districts in Texas, Missouri, Wisconsin, Virginia, Illinois (President Obama's home state), and Minnesota will not air his speech to the schoolchildren. Unlike the Reagan speech I heard as a child, where he spoke of cutting taxes--the same taxes that supported valued programs in my community--President Obama's speech has been sanitized for any trace of politics. Stay in school. Study hard. Why is this speech all of a sudden a problem?

    The Birthers, the Deathers, and now the Schoolers all have one thing in common. They have found ways to undermine the President, creating an alternate universe where Obama is not the Commander in Chief. These anti-Obama groups know that they will not be taken seriously if they discredit President Obama merely because of his race. Instead, they mask their antagonism toward America's first Black President as partisan differences. They have not accepted that President Obama is our President.


    Some have argued that President Obama's speech is propaganda and they don't want their children to be exposed to his socialist agenda. Originally, his speech was going to be followed by an assignment to have the school students write an essay about how they could help President Obama. (I completely disagree with the White House backing down and changing the assignment.)

    Yet, we have always disagreed with Presidents and their politics without completely discrediting their presidency. When have we ever questioned the citizenship of a President? When have we ever carried guns to town hall meetings--especially meetings where the President would be in attendance? When have we ever preferred that our children opt for truancy than to hear a speech from the President?
    Not even Bill Clinton, who also pushed for overhauling the healthcare system and was impeached by the House, was delegitimized as our President. The one thing that makes Barak Obama different from every other U.S. President is that he is Black.

    Refusing to air the President's speech and pulling a child from school are brazen acts that, in essence, put the President Obama in his place. (Can you imagine how these people would respond to having a black manager?) These parents are teaching their children a powerfully dangerous lesson. A Black man may have won the election, but they don't have to listen to him or respect him.
    Natalie Holder-Winfield: Today's Lesson: Undermining A Black Man's Authority in 2009

    This article touches on something a friend of mine said yesterday. In banning this speech, think of what kind of message that is sending to students in the district who are poor, unmotivated or minorities. Previously, Pres. Obama's story was motivating for them, something along the lines of 'if he can do it, I can do it.' And now they see that isn't the case, and that their teachers and school district have still found a way to undermine the man, even though he holds the highest office in the world.

    its damn depressing.

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    I'm just get sadder and sadder when I read these posts. I really thought his presidency would help bring this country together. It did for awhile, but the racists are getting louder and braver. Obama needs to grow a set and let everyone know HE won the election. Tell the parents and teachers, everyone must show it, he is the president and has the right to speak to the country.
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    How the hell can the President saying "stay in school" be seen as a problem or a hysterical raising issue? The reaction of some parents and schools to all this is unbelievable and sad. It's the lack of respect for the POTUS that bothers me the most. Thank God I live in Oregon where racism isn't so ingrained.

    This kind of stupid behavior started with "helicopter parenting" and every whiny, overprotective parent getting all the attention. A kid can barely bring a piece of Kleenex to some schools these days without "letters of consent", school written approval of the item and other nonsense. In my day, this kind of overreacting was ignored and life and school went on.

    I'd keep my kids home to watch the event on the computer or TV if their schools won't show it. Thank God our 2 kids are grown and were spared most of this sort of thing.

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    Why don't these people just bust out the Dixie flags and put their hoods on?

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    President Reagan did it. Hooray for President Reagan!

    President Bush did it. Hooray for President Bush!

    President Obama's speech . . . oh, horrors -- it’s indoctrination.

    Yeah, I’m talking about President Obama’s upcoming speech to schoolchildren. As reported by the Indianapolis Examiner in an article on Nascar drivers’ support of the President’s address to schoolchildren, and quoting ed.gov, “During this special address, the President will speak directly to the nation’s children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.”

    “Persisting and succeeding in school.” “Work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.” Heaven only knows what subliminal liberal-indoctrinating messages are contained in those phrases. Grab the shotgun and hide the kids -- those libs are at it again.

    Right-wing parents are screaming about this speech, hysterical about this supposed political and social indoctrination. Shoot, this is crazy-as-a-bedbug Michelle Bachmann’s worst fears realized.

    I have two questions for these right-wingnuts: Why do you want your kids to be a generation of weenies who can’t be allowed to think for themselves and must be prevented from diversity at all costs? And are your kids so weak-minded that listening to one speech will cause them to turn their backs on you and your values forever?

    They probably SHOULD reject those values – but what it sounds like to me is that you believe President Obama is very powerful, indeed.

    So, let me get this straight. Right-wing parents believe that preventing their kids from listening to the President’s speech on furthering their education is productive? Sounds like those parents are uneducated ignoramuses themselves who don’t value education, as a whole, much. Maybe they should be listening to the speech instead.

    As noted by Ellen at Newshounds, “Who's really using the children to indoctrinate here?”

    The Cypress Times did a little ‘splaining about why President Reagan’s speech to kids in 1988 was different than this one – it’s because this speech, because the kids are in school, is “without parental oversight.”

    Oh, well, yeah, that’s certainly different. Right-wing parents apparently plan on following their children around every second of every day for the rest of their lives to make sure that they’re thinking the “right” things. I mean, unless there’s that eternal “parental oversight,” how can these right-wingnuts trust their children not to completely abandon their values when they’re out of the “parental oversight” zone?

    Hey, call me crazy, but I always thought it was more valuable to teach my kids how to think, not what to think. I never believed in censorship, never believed in preventing them from listening to, or watching, or being in general exposed to things I might not believe in. I weighed in and expressed my opinions, but I largely allowed my kids to form their own opinions and have their own belief systems – even when they were small.

    It’s funny how that works – even as adults (or near adults), my kids have pretty much adopted my value system, despite the fact that I didn’t spend any time at all covering their eyes and ears and ramming my beliefs down their throats. They haven’t strayed far from my world view – but if they had, that would have been okay, too. Shoot, I even let them watch a few George Bush speeches over the years – and I didn’t cover their eyes and ears when John McCain and Sarah Palin came on the tube during the election, either. Shame on me.

    You know, I didn’t have to keep my kids home from school one time to make sure they weren’t exposed to things I might or might not agree with. I wasn’t crazy with fear that my kids would be brainwashed by the "opposition" – and you know why? I didn't need that level of control over my kids' minds -- their own brains worked just fine. Anyway, I had faith that my parental power was stronger than anything else they might hear or see, and my parental power wasn’t abandoned every time they were exposed to something that tested their values, or my teachings. I wanted them to see and hear opposing views -- how else were they going to be able to decide for themselves? And they did think for themselves, with an eye toward who I was and what type of values I wanted them to have.

    It’s a shame that many right-wingers have so raised their kids that they’re terrified that President Obama’s presidential power –in one single speech – completely threatens their parental power.
    Hey, right-wingers: Let your kids hear the President's speech, and think for themselves

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    I don't know why this country is worried about terrorists and shit because we as a nation are destroying ourselves.

    This little peice of 'idiocracy' is just the tip of the iceburg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Why don't these people just bust out the Dixie flags and put their hoods on?
    Because they'd have to own up to their racism, and they couldn't paint themselves as 'victims' anymore.

    The sad part is, when you cut through all this crap these nitwits are scared. They have this fantasy in their heads that with minorites growing in numbers, and Obama in the White House, that suddenly minorities are going to enslave/wipe out whites. It's crazy.

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    I have avoided Facebook for the past few days due to the idiocy going on over there. As a citizen of the USA for the past 56 years, I'm embarrassed by what should be a non-issue, by what has been in the past a non-issue. If Hilary had won the election, I suppose people would be pulling any educational speech she proposed as well due to the President being a liberal, Democratic female - who wants to listen to the doctrines of a liberal woman, blah blah blah. I was so hoping this wasn't going to be race-based, but I guess we haven't grown up as much as I'd thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali View Post
    Today's Lesson: Undermining a Black Man's Authority in 2009
    by Natalie Holder-Winfield

    After President Obama's historic election win, the premature declaration of the day was that America was a post racial society. Both, the well meaning and impatient, were eager to put America's shameful history of discrimination and harassment against racial groups--particularly Blacks--behind them. How could America still see racial differences if it elected a Black President? How could Corporate America still engage in and suffer from racial inequalities? After nine months of having a Black President, we can see the head of a new movement crowning.

    For the last 24 hours, the brouhaha over President Obama's back-to-school speech to schoolchildren has grown from silly to serious
    . At last check, school districts in Texas, Missouri, Wisconsin, Virginia, Illinois (President Obama's home state), and Minnesota will not air his speech to the schoolchildren. Unlike the Reagan speech I heard as a child, where he spoke of cutting taxes--the same taxes that supported valued programs in my community--President Obama's speech has been sanitized for any trace of politics. Stay in school. Study hard. Why is this speech all of a sudden a problem?

    The Birthers, the Deathers, and now the Schoolers all have one thing in common. They have found ways to undermine the President, creating an alternate universe where Obama is not the Commander in Chief. These anti-Obama groups know that they will not be taken seriously if they discredit President Obama merely because of his race. Instead, they mask their antagonism toward America's first Black President as partisan differences. They have not accepted that President Obama is our President.


    Some have argued that President Obama's speech is propaganda and they don't want their children to be exposed to his socialist agenda. Originally, his speech was going to be followed by an assignment to have the school students write an essay about how they could help President Obama. (I completely disagree with the White House backing down and changing the assignment.)

    Yet, we have always disagreed with Presidents and their politics without completely discrediting their presidency. When have we ever questioned the citizenship of a President? When have we ever carried guns to town hall meetings--especially meetings where the President would be in attendance? When have we ever preferred that our children opt for truancy than to hear a speech from the President?
    Not even Bill Clinton, who also pushed for overhauling the healthcare system and was impeached by the House, was delegitimized as our President. The one thing that makes Barak Obama different from every other U.S. President is that he is Black.

    Refusing to air the President's speech and pulling a child from school are brazen acts that, in essence, put the President Obama in his place. (Can you imagine how these people would respond to having a black manager?) These parents are teaching their children a powerfully dangerous lesson. A Black man may have won the election, but they don't have to listen to him or respect him.
    Natalie Holder-Winfield: Today's Lesson: Undermining A Black Man's Authority in 2009

    This article touches on something a friend of mine said yesterday. In banning this speech, think of what kind of message that is sending to students in the district who are poor, unmotivated or minorities. Previously, Pres. Obama's story was motivating for them, something along the lines of 'if he can do it, I can do it.' And now they see that isn't the case, and that their teachers and school district have still found a way to undermine the man, even though he holds the highest office in the world.

    its damn depressing.
    So sad how true this article is. I'm ashamed of my country.
    I said it earlier in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by HWBL View Post
    On AC360 I saw this friggin' thirty-ish Repug mom actually breaking into
    tears that "they" (the school) were thinking of "making her kids listen",
    that "now HE is going to come and speak to them, I just don't know
    what to do"

    I think at the very least, this type of attitude and behavior on the part
    of those "parents" is teaching them it's okay to disrespect the President.
    I also wonder, if they would act this way if the President were white.
    Seriously. This crazy woman was talking like the Boogieman was coming
    to steal her child from her!!!!!!!
    I knew there were ignorant hicks in certain areas of the country.
    I knew, first hand, that racism never really died in our country.
    But since Obama has become our president, the US population
    is behaving equally or even worse than the population of South
    Africa during Apartheid. It's disgusting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Why don't these people just bust out the Dixie flags and put their hoods on?
    No friggin' kidding. If they'd get the chance, they'd organize lynch mobs.
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    You know, I didn’t have to keep my kids home from school one time to make sure they weren’t exposed to things I might or might not agree with. I wasn’t crazy with fear that my kids would be brainwashed by the "opposition" – and you know why? I didn't need that level of control over my kids' minds -- their own brains worked just fine. Anyway, I had faith that my parental power was stronger than anything else they might hear or see, and my parental power wasn’t abandoned every time they were exposed to something that tested their values, or my teachings. I wanted them to see and hear opposing views -- how else were they going to be able to decide for themselves? And they did think for themselves, with an eye toward who I was and what type of values I wanted them to have.
    I would guess that a good number of the people agitating against his speech don't even send their kids to school--they home school just so they can maintain complete control.

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    So, you do intend on keeping your children home then?

    I just can't see why parents are so scared.. it's not like Obama's going to work some televised brainwash magic and convince school children to push his policies at the breakfast table over Eggos and milk.

    It's deeper than that.. and I think we all know it.

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