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    We had pictures of the president in our school when I was growing up. I remember talking about the attempted assassination of Reagan, doing mock elections, etc. It's shit like this that makes me want to vacate this country. It's becoming a nation of morons. I can't even imagine how stupid these kids are going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisNine View Post
    We had pictures of the president in our school when I was growing up. I remember talking about the attempted assassination of Reagan, doing mock elections, etc. It's shit like this that makes me want to vacate this country. It's becoming a nation of morons. I can't even imagine how stupid these kids are going to be.
    Yes, I want to leave too. It's getting scary. Anyone know of a country where it's not too cold, there's low crime, and a reasonable cost of living with good jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nana55 View Post
    WTF! A lot of presidents including Bush and Reagan talked to students about similar shit. They hate it because he is black, plain and simple.
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    I never used to, but I can't think of any other reason why so many people in the south especially, hate Obama. He is actually pretty middle of the road no matter what anyone tries to tell us. This is sooo sad. Everytime I think about becoming a citizen, something like this happens and I change my little Canadian mind.
    It could be about race, but it isn't necessarily. I think its more about our current political climate. The Bush years got our country into this Us vs Them mentality, and the GOP basically responded by creating their own little bubble, especially in the South. All the 'Compassionate Conservatism' and Left Behind books have created this wide-spread belief (especially in the South) among the GOP and GOP Christians that we are nearing 'the end of times', the anti-Christ is coming, etc. They really believe it- they aren't being hysterical. And they receive constant news that affirms their perspective, and most everyone around them sees the world the same way. Today a proper Republican can happily get all their partisan, biased news from Fox News, listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio, and socialize with all their church friends who are also Republicans, without ever once getting exposed to some liberal or non-conservative views. It has become their reality and many of them don't even realize how sheltered they are.

    Many people honestly believe that there is something 'evil' about Obama, that he's created this brilliant image that is all a charade- and they really truly believe that. Invariably, when I find myself talking politics with such a Republican and I share that I've met and worked with Obama, the very first question they have for me is ALWAYS the same. They ask me in total, dead seriousness, 'Well is he a good person? Is he really like he seems?' Then 'Is he really a Christian?' They aren't being fanatical- they really are truly scared and want to know my answer. They look at me like they are asking if their child is going to live through the night. It blows my mind.

    The other day, I was talking about this with one of my more moderate Republican friends, and she absolutely agreed. These people are genuinely fearful for their future. Is it grounded in reality? Absolutely not. But they don't know that, and I do have empathy for them because they are truly fearful.

    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    As nana said, he is actually more moderate than is usually suggested, I think. If people are so angry about the economy, why isn't that directed towards the previous administration? Why don't they realize how much the Iraqi war put us in debt? Bush was a big spender in office and Obama inherited a lot of problems - if you want to blame Obama exclusively, thats ridiculous. But man, some people HATE him, and it leaves me scratching my head. There is something going on thats much deeper under the surface, and yes sometimes I do have to wonder if race plays a factor - not exclusively, but its there. Mainly because I have seen a huge increase in racist and xenophobic emails - I think some people actually feel threatened by him.
    They don't have those views because if they've ever heard them before, they dismissed it. For the past 8 yrs under Bush, they watched Fox News etc., lived in that bubble I described, and developed a complete distrust in any other source. They wouldn't ever see what you wrote as fact, even though it is.

    And they really do feel threatened. When I tell those people that yes, Obama is a great guy, actually is a Christian and in fact has a wicked sense of humor, their reaction is amazing. Its like I've just told them something that completely shattered their worldview and they are going to have to go home to process it for awhile. Its the craziest thing and it is very sad, and scary.

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    Sad and scary for sure.
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    I was just thinking about out all this as I went to pick up DD from preschool, and I am really, really upset and depressed and I think I want to go cry. I don't like the direction the country is going with all this divisiveness and hatred, and I am finding that I am scared to talk with anyone in my life because I don't want to find out that they feel negatively toward the president and towards "liberals" (which all of us who don't agree with Limbaugh, etc. have been labeled). I don't want to argue about socialism, the Constitution, free enterprise and capitalism or have my patriotism questioned. It makes me sick inside. The first time I felt this unease and anxiety was when I heard Palin speak at the RNC, and it has just continued and escalated. All of the logical sensible voices are being drowned out and it causes me so much anxiety. I can't even talk to DH about it because he thinks I'm overreacting. There really is no one I can talk to about it.

    OK, I'm going to go cry now to see if that helps

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    I know. I pretty much lost it when I was in the waiting room at the doctor's office and heard this shite about the school speech for the first time. I got up, starting complaining to anyone who would listen, then went in and yelled at the nurse practitioner. It is insane. I feel insane.

    I agree that Palin's speech kicked off some frenzy of nastiness...I couldn't believe how mean-spirited the speech was and how denigrating of the thousands of people in the US, on every side of the aisle, who do community service, activism, etc. for little or no money simply because they care about the community and others in it. It was really a very ugly watershed moment in our country, and so ironic that it came out of someone who is so often described as hot, pretty, attractive, etc.

    In the New Testament the expression "whited sepulcher" is used to described a grave that is ugly, moldering, and corrupt but whitewashed over. Jesus said, "...for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness." Matthew 23:25

    To me she exemplifies the whited sepulcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    I was just thinking about out all this as I went to pick up DD from preschool, and I am really, really upset and depressed and I think I want to go cry. I don't like the direction the country is going with all this divisiveness and hatred, and I am finding that I am scared to talk with anyone in my life because I don't want to find out that they feel negatively toward the president and towards "liberals" (which all of us who don't agree with Limbaugh, etc. have been labeled). I don't want to argue about socialism, the Constitution, free enterprise and capitalism or have my patriotism questioned. It makes me sick inside. The first time I felt this unease and anxiety was when I heard Palin speak at the RNC, and it has just continued and escalated. All of the logical sensible voices are being drowned out and it causes me so much anxiety. I can't even talk to DH about it because he thinks I'm overreacting. There really is no one I can talk to about it.

    OK, I'm going to go cry now to see if that helps
    I feel the same way. I am so upset about what is going on in the US it is making me sick.

    I just found out they won't be allowing the speech in my children's schools b/c of parental complaints. It's their first day and they don't have time to get permission slips out.

    Since when do kids need permission to listen to the PRESIDENT of the US? WTF?

    It is a sad day when the POTUS is censored in our schools. I hated Bush with a passion of a thousand fires and it would not have even occurred to me to be upset if he wanted to speak to the American children about education. You might not like or respect the person, but you can respect the position. It's the freaking POTUS.

    And these people complaining probably think we should be praying in schools -- which really peeves me. Supposed separation of church and state and all.

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    I am also scared of the willful ignorance of a lot of people. If FOX news or Rush said it, it's the bible to these people. If you mention any other news source, it is written off as "liberal". They completely discount 95% of other information sources that may offer a more balanced positive view, and immediately go for the negative.

    It also bothers me how now anyone who has an education is looked down upon. It's almost like you have to apologize for being college educated now thanks to Palin and her celebration of ignorance - proud that she doesn't read, doesn't travel, she's just like us! These people look upon anyone with an education suspiciously. I have actually had people insinuate that I was indoctrinated as a liberal at my liberal university.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    I am also scared of the willful ignorance of a lot of people. If FOX news or Rush said it, it's the bible to these people. If you mention any other news source, it is written off as "liberal". They completely discount 95% of other information sources that may offer a more balanced positive view, and immediately go for the negative.

    It also bothers me how now anyone who has an education is looked down upon. It's almost like you have to apologize for being college educated now thanks to Palin and her celebration of ignorance - proud that she doesn't read, doesn't travel, she's just like us! These people look upon anyone with an education suspiciously. I have actually had people insinuate that I was indoctrinated as a liberal at my liberal university.
    My in-laws said as much to my husband! He was "turned liberal" at his university and their money was wasted.

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    I think I first felt the sick feeling in my stomach whenever I heard Ann Coulter's filth, but I agree, it really intensified when I saw Palin for the first time. There was such soulless evil in her disgusting, sneering face that it scared me and made me ashamed that there are Americans like her. Republicans want to know why she's so despised and feared? Why people go after her so strongly? Because she's a shining example of unbridled ignorance, ambition, and hate rolled into the body of a fake-Christian mother. (I think she's the polar opposite of a true Christian, BTW.)

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    I refuse to consider the word "liberal" a dirty term. Fuck that.

    Liberal and proud of it. Liberal = individual liberty as a responsibility and a burden, contributor to society, improver of environment, embracing of change.

    That's my damn definition and it's the right one.
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    I wonder what's going to happen to all the people living in fear and ignorance that BBDSP, hotncmom and tulip mention when some nutjob blows something up. Are they going to go even more nutso or start coming to their senses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    I know, its crazy. The comparisons to Hitler, the Antichrist, being a fascist, a Kenyan, not a "real American", etc...they go on and on. And I know personally because a ton of those insane emails end up in my inbox, it drives me insane. And I think these birthers have spawned a terrible movement based on fear and xenophobia, its quite a scary environment. People have a lot of fear that illegals are taking over - hell, there is even one in the White House! Thats the general gist I get.



    Ding ding ding! I think most people have been taught to fear so much that its clouding their whole sense of perception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L1049 View Post
    Found this pic on Punditkitchen and think it's appropriate:
    Agree completely.

    And even though some people consider Obama the anti-christ, he's not the first world leader to get that label. Hitler was considered the anti-christ and so was Ronald Reagan.

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    Well Bush killed 100,000+ for having oil... not quite in the same league, but baby steps...
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