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    I respect people's choices to "opt out" but I think that's an idiotic choice. I would have been awed as a kid to get an "assignment" from the president. And if there was something I disagreed with, I sure as hell would have told him!! If these parents were smart, they'd see what their kids actually think, and if they disagreed with the prez, they could say why. They probably don't want the kids to participate because they can't come up coherent advice for the president.

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    This is on the yahoo webpage...unbelievably parents are afraid that their kids will be "brainwashed" or "indoctrinated". One talks openly about not wanting their kid exposed to "social change" like thats a dirty word. I guess they think if their kids listen to him, they'll all end up gay, waiting in line at an abortion clinic, support a public option, or become Muslim. Craziness abounds, its unbelievable sometimes - makes me so ashamed.
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    That is crazy. Thats not what its about for me.
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    Cupcake, I respect your views if you want to opt out for some other legitimate reason (what is it, if you don't mind me asking)...but I think its silly to do it if you think your kid will suddenly become liberal, be indoctrinated or brainwashed, or hear something that runs opposite to your views. I mean, do you (speaking in general here, not to you specifically) think that you can shelter your kids your whole life so they never hear dissenting opinions and so that they can always live under your thumb? Why would you actively want to encourage your child to not listen to someone who is telling them how important it is to stay in school, etc.

    My favorite line in those comments is someone who says that she will pull her kid out of school because Obama will just say his views and "silence descent." LOL! Someone should have told her how important it is to stay in school. I can laugh because its crazy, but its also so unbelievably sad.
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    Well last night the story was a bit different.
    Today they have cshanged their websiites and changed the wording of what it is all about...Pushing politics is one things. Giving a motivational speech about staying in school and being productive, following your dreams etc is better by me.
    It was said last night that he wasnt releasing what it was going to be about, ( that fired people up) now today that has changed. If a child or older kid is supposed to write about how Obama has inspired them or that kind of thing, I think it could make it uncomfortable for some, if they are non supporters especially. And not every teacher is a supporter, not every child and visa versa.... So if he is motivating the students without pushing his policy then thats ok by me. I still am not crazy about politics in the school. I never sheltered my kids in anyway. We all have different views about many things. Their views dont have to be my views. I am respectful of other peoples opinions as long as they dont come across as too loonie
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    But see, I guess thats what I don't get. Kids this age aren't "supporters" or "non-supporters" and if they are, thats ridiculous. That means they have been indoctrinated by their own parents and haven't been exposed to enough outside the home to make up their minds. Kids this age shouldn't be political and if they are they are just echoing what their parents tell them. Thats not teaching your kids to become free thinkers, thats making them into mini-mes. I don't think its wrong to ask them how Obama inspired them in terms of their education - Obama came from very humble beginnings to become POTUS, thats inspiring, and should be inspiring to all children, regardless of their parents' political affiliations. That should encourage kids to stay in school, especially when the message comes from the POTUS himself. So, thats "inspiring" in terms of their education - I don't think that question means "how are you inspired now to become a liberal?" I absolutely unequivocally doubt that he's going to give some huge liberal speech about why bailouts are good and healthcare reform should be passed and Democrats good/Republicans bad, etc. Its just seems like people are getting their panties in a twist over absolutely nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake View Post
    Well last night the story was a bit different.
    Today they have cshanged their websiites and changed the wording of what it is all about...Pushing politics is one things. Giving a motivational speech about staying in school and being productive, following your dreams etc is better by me.
    It was said last night that he wasnt releasing what it was going to be about, ( that fired people up) now today that has changed. If a child or older kid is supposed to write about how Obama has inspired them or that kind of thing, I think it could make it uncomfortable for some, if they are non supporters especially. And not every teacher is a supporter, not every child and visa versa.... So if he is motivating the students without pushing his policy then thats ok by me. I still am not crazy about politics in the school. I never sheltered my kids in anyway. We all have different views about many things. Their views dont have to be my views. I am respectful of other peoples opinions as long as they dont come across as too loonie
    I don't think ANY president would be dumb enough to push their policies on elementary school kids. If for no other reason, elementary school kids can't vote, so it would be a waste of time.

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    i wonder if kids could opt out of Bush reading them a story, badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    George HW Bush did an address to kids when he was prez. I don't think people were in an uproar about it back then.
    No, and there is an uproar about everything Obama does, because he's black - watching the racism from up here in Canada is really distressing.

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    White House Releases Public Service Announcements On Education (Or Is It Socialist Indoctrination?)

    Eric Kleefeld | September 3, 2009, 6:15PM

    The White House has released a pair of public service announcements on the importance of education, tying into President Obama's upcoming back-to-school message next week -- the one that right-wingers are attacking as an example of socialist indoctrination.

    Here's the first one, with Obama saying he wouldn't have been at his inauguration ceremony, if he hadn't been at his graduation ceremony first:
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    There's also another PSA featuring a bunch of popular NASCAR drivers, a sport we usually associate with the Republican-leaning parts of America. Check it out after the jump.
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    White House Releases Public Service Announcements On Education (Or Is It Socialist Indoctrination?) | TPMDC

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    Much ado about absolutely nothing.

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    Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students

    September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET by Matt Gertz

    Putting aside possible ulterior motives, the conservative freak-out over President Obama’s planned speech to students urging them to stay in school and work hard is due to fears that Obama will use his platform as an opportunity to push his agenda on unsuspecting students. Ironically, that’s exactly what President Reagan did two decades ago.

    On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marvin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “t o schools nationwide on three different days.” Much of Reagan’s speech that day covered the American “vision of self-government” and the need “to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America” but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:
    Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.

    I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.
    During the question-and-answer portion of the event, Reagan returned to the topic, this time telling the students that lowering taxes increases revenue:
    Q My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?

    PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government. And what we have found is that at the lower rates the government gets more revenue, there are more people paying taxes because there are more people with jobs and there are more people willing to earn more money because they get to keep a bigger share of it, so today, we're getting more revenue at the lower rates than we were at the higher. And do you know something? I studied economics in college when I was young and I learned there about a man named Ibn Khaldun, who lived 1200 years ago in Egypt. And 1200 years ago he said, in the beginning of the empire, the rates were low, the tax rates were low, but the revenue was great. He said in the end of empire, when the empire was collapsing, the rates were great and the revenue was low.
    The students probably didn’t know any better, but this is an idea that has been rejected by virtually every economist not named Larry Kudlow.

    Do Sean Hannity and the folks at NewsBusters think President Reagan was engaging in Maoist indoctrination? Do Glenn Beck and WorldNetDaily think Reagan was pulling a Mussolini or attempting to assemble his own Hitler Youth? Or is it possible that the conservative media has decided that if Obama is for it – whether “it” means “universal health care” or “stay in school” – they’re against it?
    Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students | Media Matters for America

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    Well, Republicans are hypocrites, no news there. They constantly slam Democrats for doing what they've already done numerous times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake View Post
    I think a public service announcement would be better. My sister is a teacher in middle school and she said many teachers have agreed not too show it. She said it places too much pressure on the kids and non supporters will be singled out if they dint want to participate. No matter who the Pres is
    WTF! A lot of presidents including Bush and Reagan talked to students about similar shit. They hate it because he is black, plain and simple.
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    I dont think its a race thing
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