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    I really, really wish I was an American citizen so I could put an X beside Obama's name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCkissesx View Post
    Lmao. I'm not even American but I have been up all night watching the election reports on Austar

    I was watching Fox News several hours ago, and they were raving on about 'Black Panthers' allegedly trying to hinder voters... what the 'f' are Black Panthers? :S

    They are a militant group of black Americans who held rather violent protests for equal righs back in the 60s and 70s. Wiki should have a good bio on them.
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    Black Panthers

    The Watts Riots occurred in 1965. According to Huey P. Newton, the riots were the result of police brutality. The Oakland Police and the California Highway Patrol carried shotguns in full view, to scare the community. Martin Luther King Jr. attempted to calm the situation, but his philosophy of nonviolence was seen as useless. The rising consciousness of black people convinced them that their time had come to rise up. The Black Panther party saw its purpose to further the African-American civil rights movement and to find solutions to the growing problems caused by the oppression of black people.[12]
    The organization focused on self-defense, with influences from the Afro-American Association, the Revolutionary Action Movement, and the Soul Students Advisory Council. The speeches of Malcolm X were a main topic of discussion, as well as a major influence when Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale were making plans for the party.[13]
    The party philosophy was one that espoused the political views of Malcolm X and principles of Marxism-Leninism that called for an end to the exploitation of black masses by capitalists, and a redistribution of wealth.[3] The party leaders relied on the works of Karl Marx, Lenin, and Mao to inform how they organized as a revolutionary cadre. In consciously working toward a revolution, they considered themselves the vanguard party, “committed to organizing support for a socialist revolution.”[14]
    The party did not fully agree with Karl Marx's analysis of the so-called lumpenproletariat. Marx thought that this class lacked the political consciousness required to lead a revolution. Newton, on the other hand, was inspired by his reading of post-colonial theorist Frantz Fanon and his belief that the lumpen was of utmost importance. Newton said about these "brothers off the block" that, "If you didn't relate to these cats, the power structure would organize these cats against you."[15]
    Marx’s conception of the lumpenproletariat was a group that stands on the very margins of the class system because they are not wholly integrated into the division of labor. They do not accept the idea of making their living by regular work. Thus, their position within society is not marked by the fact that they are unemployed, but by the fact that they do not seek employment:
    "the lumpenproletariat, which in all big towns forms a mass sharply differentiated from the industrial proletariat, a recruiting ground for thieves and criminals of all kinds living on the crumbs of society, people without a definite trade, vagabonds, gens sans feu et sans aveu [people without hearth or home], varying according to the degree of civilization of the nation to which they belong, but never renouncing their lazzaroni character".[16] Though they may be swept up by a proletarian revolution and are entirely capable of “the most heroic deeds and the most exalted sacrifices”, they are equally capable of “the barest banditry and the foulest corruption”, and are much more likely to play the part of “a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.”[17] Essentially, they are a malleable populace that is generally tempted into service of sight, as opportunistic and exploitative as the finance aristocracy. “The finance aristocracy, in its mode of acquisition as well as in its pleasures, is nothing but the rebirth of the lumpenproletariat on the heights of bourgeois society”,[18] Just like the aristocracy, the lumpen live off society, rather than producing for it, existing as an entirely parasitic force.
    The Black Panthers' basic interpretation of the lumpenproletariat generally conforms to that of Marx. For Eldridge Cleaver, the lumpenproletariat were those who had "no secure relationship or vested interest in the means of production and the institutions of a capitalist society."[19] His wife Kathleen Cleaver echoed a similar sentiment, stating that the black lumpenproletariat had absolutely no stake in industrial America: “They existed at the bottom level of society…Outside the capitalist system that was the basis for the oppression of black people.”[20]
    The Panthers did not propose that the entire black American population constituted a post-modern, race-based lumpenproletariat. Instead, the Party's analysis suggested that there existed a significant "underclass"—both urban and rural in locus—within the masses of the oppressed whose removal from the primary means of production left that class particularly apt to engage subversive activities, both revolutionary and counterrevolutionary in potential impact.
    The Panthers included two distinct groups within the lumpen. First, the "industrial reserve army", who could not find employment, as they were unskilled and unfit, displaced by mechanization and never invested with new skills, forced to rely on Welfare or receiving State Aid. They consisted of ‘the millions of black domestics and porters, nurses’ aides and maintenance men, laundresses and cooks, sharecroppers, unpropertied ghetto dwellers, welfare mothers’.[21]
    The second group were the so-called "criminal element", who had similarly been locked out of the economy, and consisted of the "gang members and the gangsters, the pimps and the prostitutes, the drug users and dealers, the common thieves and murderers". The "criminal element" displayed the key characteristics of the Lumpen, the parasite, "existing off that which they rip off".
    The "Industrial Reserve Army" posed a problem, since a large proportion of this group consisted of the working poor (although their jobs are “irregular and usually low paid', they are the working poor all the same). But Marx explicitly stated that the lumpenproletariat formed "a mass sharply differentiated from the industrial proletariat."
    The Panthers viewed the line that separated the proletariat and the lumpen as tenuous and fragile, which resulted in a blending of the two classes. Some historians have argued that the Panthers "envisioned a lumpen more akin to a subproletariat class" that lacked the parasitical aspects of the traditional lumpen sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    They are a militant group of black Americans who held rather violent protests for equal righs back in the 60s and 70s. Wiki should have a good bio on them.
    My browser was playing up but I have finally got a new page open on Wiki now! I'm assuming that Fox news were implying they were there to intimidate people into voting for Obama? Apparently the police were called on the Black Panthers and then the police were called on Fox News. Both were going on about their constitutional rights to be there with Fox News stating they could be 10 feet from the door I was pretty tired but I stayed awake to watch this. At one point when the reporter was all up in one of the mens face I was waiting for him to get knocked out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    Feel free, take him a nice big bag of pretzels while you're at it.
    Er...no thanks.

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    If McCain is elected I'm requesting political asylum somewhere else. Canada will you take us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfette View Post
    I really, really wish I was an American citizen so I could put an X beside Obama's name.
    Me too.
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    First exit polls are out

    Economy most important issue, polls show

    Story Highlights
    -NEW: 62 percent say economy most important issue; 10 percent say Iraq
    -NEW: Brother of soldier killed in Afghanistan votes to honor his memory
    -First polls close at 7 p.m. ET, as long lines reported across nation
    -Report problems, irregularities to CNN's Voter Hotline at 1-877-GO-CNN-08

    (CNN) -- The first exit polls out Tuesday reflect what voters have said all along: The economy is by far the top issue on their minds.

    Voters line up to cast ballots at Oyster Bilingual School in northwest Washington on Tuesday.

    Sixty-two percent of voters said the economy was the most important issue. Iraq was the most important for 10 percent, and terrorism and health care were each the top issue for 9 percent of voters.

    The economy has dominated the last leg of the campaign trail as Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain have tried to convince voters that they are the best candidate to handle the financial crisis.

    Voters expressed excitement and pride in their country after casting their ballots Tuesday in what has proved to be a historic election.
    When the ballots are counted, the United States will have elected either its first African-American president or its oldest first-term president and first female vice president.

    Besides choosing between McCain and Obama -- or a third-party candidate -- voters were making choices in a number of key House and Senate races that could determine whether the Democrats strengthen their hold on Congress.

    Poll workers reported high turnout across many parts of the country, and some voters waited hours to cast their ballots.

    Reports of minor problems and delays in opening polls began surfacing early Tuesday, shortly after polls opened on the East Coast.

    Among them: Palm Beach, Florida, reported minor sporadic voter machine failures, and wet voters in rainy Chesapeake, Virginia, were being asked to dry off before voting because they were getting their optical-scan ballots wet, according to election officials in those locales.

    CNN is asking people to call its Voter Hotline at 1-877-GO-CNN-08 (1-877-462-6608) if they witness any problems or irregularities. Read about election problems


    But many said the chance to vote was worth the wait.
    "It feels great to be an American today. The best hour and a half of my life," exclaimed Jude Elliot, an eighth-grade social studies teacher in Orangeburg, South Carolina.

    Elliot, who has been voting in Orangeburg since 1998, said it usually takes him five minutes to vote, but on Tuesday it took about 90 -- and he arrived at 6:45 a.m.

    "Polling station was packed: young, old, black, white, disabled, not," he said. "It was amazing."

    Rick Garcia's motivation for voting was more personal. His brother was killed August 1 by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan while he served in the Army.

    "It's the main reason why I came to vote: in his honor," said Garcia, of West Palm Beach, Florida. "He would have wanted everybody as American citizens to do it." Watch a voter explain how he's honoring his brother

    iReporter Lynn Linnemeier said it took her about two hours to vote in southwest Atlanta, Georgia.

    "The line wrapped all the way around the front of the building and into the back parking lot," said Linnemeier, whose 9- and 16-year-old granddaughters woke early to join her at the polls. View pictures of voting from across the country

    For many voters, Election Day began well before dawn.

    Ronnie Senique, a math teacher from Landover, Maryland, said he got up early and was the first one at the polls when he arrived at 4:10 a.m., almost three hours before the polls opened.

    By the time he left, "the lines were around the corner. They snaked around the school. They went into the street," Senique said.

    Tuesday was Senique's first time to vote in a U.S. presidential race. Senique, who is from the Bahamas, became a U.S. citizen about three years ago.

    High turnout was not necessarily a theme at every polling station around the country. iReport.com: Share your Election Day experience

    "I was there at 10 in the morning, and I jokingly said the [entire] line was my wife -- and that's only because I let her through the door first ," said Nathan Grebowiec, a 27-year-old resident of Plainville, Kansas.

    The presidential candidates both voted early in the day before heading out to the campaign trail one last time. Watch Obama family at polls

    iReporter Lindsey Miller, 23, votes at the same polling place as Obama. She said Secret Service agents were checking names off a list and using metal-detecting wands on some would-be voters as they entered the polling place. The line was around the block at 6 a.m., she said.

    "A lot of people were in pajamas. I know I was; not the time you want to be on national TV," the University of Chicago graduate student said. Read what Obama is up to Tuesday

    Tuesday also marked the end of the longest presidential campaign season in U.S. history -- 21 months -- and both candidates took the opportunity to make their final pitch to voters.

    As McCain and Obama emerged from their parties' conventions, the race was essentially a toss-up, with McCain campaigning on his experience and Obama on the promise of change. But the race was altered by the financial crisis that hit Wall Street in September. Watch how this election is history in the making

    Obama began to pull away in the polls nationally as well as in key battleground states. A CNN poll of polls calculated Tuesday showed Obama leading McCain 52 percent to 44 percent, with 4 percent undecided.

    Obama also opened a lead in the race for electoral votes. As of Monday, CNN estimated that Obama would win 291 electoral votes and McCain would win 157, with 90 electoral votes up for grabs. To win the presidency, 270 electoral votes are needed.

    Although most of the attention has been focused on the presidential race, the outcome of congressional elections across the country will determine whether the Democrats increase their clout on Capitol Hill.
    Few predict that the Democrats are in danger of losing their control of either the House or the Senate, but all eyes will be on nearly a dozen close Senate races that are key to whether the Democrats get 60 seats in the Senate.

    With 60 votes, Democrats could end any Republican filibusters or other legislative moves to block legislation.

    Many political observers also predict that the Democrats could expand their majority in the House.

    Voters will also weigh in on a number of ballot initiatives across the country, many of them focused on social issues like abortion and affirmative action

    Economy most important issue, polls show - CNN.com

    Some polls are closing in less then 6 minutes . Let the show begin.
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    The economy polling so high is great news for Obama Biden!!

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    *sing song voice* I'm so excited, I'm so excited

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    C'mon Barack!! *SQUEAL*
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    First polls have closed.

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    I know I'll cry tonight... I just wish it to be happy tears.

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    Ohh, I hope so too, greeneyedfairy... I'd love to walk into class tomorrow and see my ultra-conservative professor fight to keep his shit together... he LOAAATHES Obama.

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    I like how CNN is showing outside shots of the Biltmore.

    Can they go back to Grant Park?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stylejunkiex View Post
    Ohh, I hope so too, greeneyedfairy... I'd love to walk into class tomorrow and see my ultra-conservative professor fight to keep his shit together... he LOAAATHES Obama.
    Haha that sounds awesome... You should wear blue!

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    Waiting for some results from Indiana and Kentucky to come in
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