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    What were his excuses? What if they had said that to his parents? What would have happened to his parents? What would have happened to him? I hope someone asked him that.

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    Oh awesome. The White House just called gays that want their equal rights "internet fringe leftists"

    NBC just did a piece about today's gay rights march in Washington. For the political context of the gay community's ire, NBC went to White House correspondent John Harwood. Harwood was asked if the White House was worried about "the left as a whole," and concerns they have that the White House isn't doing things that "the left" expected them to do. Harwood said the following:

    Barack Obama is doing well with 90% or more of Democrats so the White House views this opposition as really part of the Internet left fringe.

    Harwood then went on to say:

    For a sign of how seriously the White House does or doesn't take this opposition, one adviser told me those bloggers need to take off the pajamas, get dressed, and realize that governing a closely divided country is complicated and difficult.

    So the gay community, and its concerns about President Obama's inaction, and backtracking, on DADT and DOMA, are now, according to President Obama's White House, part of a larger "fringe" that acts like small children who play in their pajamas and need to grow up. (And a note to our readers: The White House just included all of you in that loony "left fringe.")

    I wonder how the Human Rights Campaign is going to explain how the White House just knifed our community less than 24 hours after he went to their dinner and claimed he was our friend.

    Someone in that White House needs to be fired.

    AMERICAblog News| A great nation deserves the truth: BREAKING FROM NBC: White House official calls gays part of "Internet left fringe"
    yeah, but Obama is our bestest friend who never does anything to help us....
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    I was just watching a clip of when Obama made that proclamation and it's amusing watching everyone all standing up and cheering and yelping. Never mind no timetables, nothing, nada, has been established (kinda like Afghanistan).

    The cynic in me believes that President Obama wants to be seen as a 'leader' in the gay rights movement. He's trying to appease all sides, as he doesn't want to alienate one side or the other. A balancing act. Hence, he'll say the things each 'group' wants to hear, just for appearance sakes.

    I dunno, maybe he knows that the public opinion seems to be rising in favor of gays in all aspects of life such as the military, so he kind of wants to ride the bandwagon and say things yet not really do anything to alienate his other constituents. Basically, just bide his time until it's 'safe.'

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    Barney Frank is calling the march a waste of time too.

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    Barney Frank can go fuck himself with something hard and sandpapery. He's been giving Failbama cover over his total inaction LGBT issues since day one. Sellout fucktard.
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    also of note.. to all the people saying "wait"


    2004-2006: "You have to wait until we win a Congressional majority in the 2006 midterms."

    2006-2008: "You have to wait until we win the White House in 2008."

    January-May, 2009: "You have to wait until we have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate."

    Currently: "You have to wait until after the 2010 midterms so we preserve our majority" or "you have to wait until Obama is safely re-elected in 2012."

    Once Obama is safely re-elected, it will be: "you have to wait so you don't jeopardize the 2014 midterms." That's the mentality that produces majority power which exists for no real purpose but to perpetuate itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    also of note.. to all the people saying "wait"
    Exactly.

    They don't want to risk or alienate anyone until being safely re-elected. Then they don't want to risk or alienate anyone to preserve their power base.

    And so on and so forth. What is truly sad is those that eat up all these words like crumbs at the dinner table continue to not mind being jerked around time after time. Are they really that ignorant?

    So what person has more integrity, someone that expresses their disapproval outright of gays in the military, or someone that strings people along with false words? I hate to say it, but at least with one group, you know where they stand and they wear their heart on their sleeve no matter how stupid their views.

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    For Obama to successfully end this, he has to make sure the legislature and Supreme Court will back him. Pressure him to ignite the fire and pressure the other two branches to keep mum or support him, then DADT will be done with. It has to be all three and the SC doesn't look like it is on the same page.

    Personally, I don't give a damn if a gay person serves. I'd prefer to spend the resources used to ferret gays out to ferret douchebags, psychos, and true threats out of the ranks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    For Obama to successfully end this, he has to make sure the legislature and Supreme Court will back him. Pressure him to ignite the fire and pressure the other two branches to keep mum or support him, then DADT will be done with. It has to be all three and the SC doesn't look like it is on the same page.

    Personally, I don't give a damn if a gay person serves. I'd prefer to spend the resources used to ferret gays out to ferret douchebags, psychos, and true threats out of the ranks.
    True, Obama has to get the support to end DADT. But he needs to stop constantly saying he's going to do it, unless he plans to push Congress and the Supreme Court to overturn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    I'd prefer to spend the resources used to ferret gays out to ferret douchebags, psychos, and true threats out of the ranks.
    Haven't you heard? Recruitment standards are so low those are the preferred enlistees, along with gang members and race supremacists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Barney Frank can go fuck himself with something hard and sandpapery. He's been giving Failbama cover over his total inaction LGBT issues since day one. Sellout fucktard.
    Barney Frank has done much more to advance gay rights than anyone on this board.

    Barney Frank isn't saying "just sit there and wait your turn". He's saying go out and change people's minds. And the important people are Congress (and their staffs), state legislative leaders (and their staffs), Justices and judges, lobbyists and voters.

    I don't understand your hatred of Obama. It seems much like a twsited version of what the GOP blathers on about.

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    Barney Frank hasn't done anything to advance gay rights in the last 30 years. He's a house faggot. He protects his masters from criticism. That's his job.

    This is the guy that said the horrible DOJ brief comparing gays to incestuous pedophiles was perfectly fine and not discriminatory at all.

    The guy that bitched at gay rights advocates who were obviously pissed off when he stripped 'trans' out of ENDA

    The guy who says gays should just shut up and sit down, because "Obama doesn't need the pressure" despite his campaign running on a plank of ending DADT and DOMA

    The guy who wholeheartedly endorsed DADT back in 93, and that gays had no choice but to accept DOMA and that gays should "grow up" over it.

    The guy who isn't going to sponsor Rep. Jerry Nadler's bill that would repeal DOMA - called the Respect for Marriage Act - because he believes it's not worth it to pick fights that will incite opposition.

    Lastly, I don't fucking hate obama. Stop it with that shit. Not liking the fact that he's broken a ton of promises somehow equals hate? Not liking the fact that he's done a 180 on lots of policies equals hate? Not liking the fact that he tried to sell health care reform down the river by handing it off to the very people bought and paid for by that the insurance/pharma industry who did their best to kill any real reform somehow equals hate? Not liking the fact that instead of drawing down in iraq and afghanistan, there's no real timetable for the first and a ramping up of the second equals hate?

    See, this is where people get retarded: anybody criticizing Obama with GOOD REASON (not screaming socialism! commie! Hitler!) and having logical arguments to do so is simply labeled a "hater".

    You sound like the Bush fanatics, totally unable to recognize genuine dissatisfaction with policy and instead labeling it as "hate". THe funny thing is, when I was doing it to Bush over the exact same issues (funny how they've continued), you wouldn't have said jack shit.

    Grow the fuck up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    True, Obama has to get the support to end DADT. But he needs to stop constantly saying he's going to do it, unless he plans to push Congress and the Supreme Court to overturn it.
    The POTUS goes into office believing the hype that he is the most powerful man in the world. Unless he is like Bush, and is supported by everyone from the base of the power core to the pinnacle, he gets a reality check. Just like no one stepped in to stop Bush's blatant disregard for pesky laws and regulations, no one is stepping up to push Obama backed agendas such as DADT. When the SC upheld a DADT release several months ago, it was a message. Until the ultra conservative and extremely religious, both outspoken and closeted, powers are neutralized ultra liberal agendas will stall.

    Either Obama is deluded enough to believe he can make changes facing the current opposition or he is too proud to retract his statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Haven't you heard? Recruitment standards are so low those are the preferred enlistees, along with gang members and race supremacists.
    Recruitment standards have been more stringent in recent years than in the past. Right now, due to Bush's warmongering, there has been a drop in eligible applicants, so to feed the war machine, certain rules will be relaxed.

    The military has long been a destination for those who have issues. It just wasn't as publicized.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    The POTUS goes into office believing the hype that he is the most powerful man in the world. Unless he is like Bush, and is supported by everyone from the base of the power core to the pinnacle, he gets a reality check. Just like no one stepped in to stop Bush's blatant disregard for pesky laws and regulations, no one is stepping up to push Obama backed agendas such as DADT. When the SC upheld a DADT release several months ago, it was a message. Until the ultra conservative and extremely religious, both outspoken and closeted, powers are neutralized ultra liberal agendas will stall.

    Either Obama is deluded enough to believe he can make changes facing the current opposition or he is too proud to retract his statement.
    I agree that the powers-that-be are going to keep fighting against repealing DADT. But Obama isn't doing himself any favors with some of the actions taken by the Justice Department. And I remember reading where the Justice Department told the SC not to even listen to a DADT release case.

    I knew Obama wasn't going to push to repeal DADT in his first year, but he should've made that clear early on and saved himself some aggravation.

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    I knew Obama wasn't going to push to repeal DADT in his first year, but he should've made that clear early on and saved himself some aggravation.
    On that, I agree. In retrospect, he should have been quiet.

    I don't think Obama fully realized how many things he would have to juggle.

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