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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    doesn't agree with him, and yet there he is? Honey, when Obama invites a Klansman onto the stage with him, then it might be obvious to you. Till then, you're a retard.
    Actually a better analogy would be having someone on stage who supports people of all races yet belives interracial marriage is wrong. Honestly, he might have someone like that on stage. People don't advertise that belief as much as they used to.

    As for gay marriage, what do you expect? Only 40 years ago it was illegal for people of different races to marry in the very state I live in today. Somehow, I doubt the people of this state would've supported interracial marriages if given a choice. Neither Congress nor the president at the time stepped up to the plate to defeat anti-miscegenation laws. The same is true today of gay marriage. Not that it's right, but I don't expect things to be different. The only way we'll see change is to force change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crumpet View Post
    Yeah, maybe she wrote it wrong at first and went back and edited it.
    Yeah, that's what I think. But it's all good. No hard feelings.

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    SO many people (straight, of course) are telling gays to shut up, sit down, now isn't the time, there's more important things, blah blah blah

    Yeah, we've been hearing that for how many decades? There's ALWAYS some reason not to.
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    It was no different for blacks during the Civil Rights Movement and women during the Feminist Movement. Change doesn't come quick enough, but sometimes you have to pick your battles. Lose on some of the smaller issues, so that you can win on the bigger ones. But the pressure has to be kept up to make sure those bigger issues can be won.

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    I didn't say that at all.

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    Lose on the smaller issues? LOL

    Anytime gays calm down or relax we get fucked over.

    Fuck that noise. Pressure EVERYWHERE. Nonstop bitching is the way to go!
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    Non-stop bitching is the way to go sometimes to get people to sit up and take notice.

    Sitting down, shutting up and smiling doesn't get anything done. But the issue of gay marriage has only been a hot issue for the past few years. It's not going to get settled anytime in the near future, and that's not going to change with Obama or any other politician. Keep in mind, Dubya got re-elected four years ago because of his stance on gay marriage. So society as a whole has to begin to change.

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    We're living in a post Prop -8 world now

    KILL! CRUSH! DESTROY!

    DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
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    Ooo good op-ed

    It is difficult to comprehend how our president-elect, who has been so spot on in nearly every political move and gesture, could fail to grasp the symbolism of inviting an anti-gay theologian to deliver his inaugural invocation. And the Obama campaign's response to the anger about this decision? Hey, we're also bringing a gay marching band. You know how the gays love a parade.

    Yes, the Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of the humongous, evangelical Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif., has a sound message on poverty. And certainly, in the world of politics, there is a view that Barack Obama owes Warren for bringing him before fellow evangelicals, despite fierce opposition during the heat of the presidential campaign.

    But here's the other thing about Warren, the author of the bestselling book "The Purpose Driven Life": He was a general in the campaign to pass California's Proposition 8, which dissolved the legal marriage rights of loving, committed same-sex couples.

    For that reason, inviting Warren to set the tone at the dawn of this new presidency sends a chilling message to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans. It makes us uncertain about this exciting, young president-elect who has said repeatedly that we are part of his America, too.

    We understand that the Rev. Joseph E. Lowery, a civil rights icon and a dear friend of LGBT Americans, will close the inauguration ceremony. But would any inaugural committee say to Jewish Americans, "We're opening with an anti-Semite but closing the program with a rabbi, so don't worry"?

    It is likely that one of two scenarios played out during behind-the-scenes inaugural planning, both of them equally troubling. The first possibility is that it was suggested that Warren is the correct voice to lead the inauguration because his selection would send a message of inclusion to evangelicals. And when someone at the table said, "Gay America will be offended by that choice," the quick answer was, "That's fine, we'll deal with it. We invited the gay marching band."

    The second possibility is that no one at the table had a clue about Warren's anti-gay views and that the Obama team has been stunned by the broad and loud objections to the choice. That's not encouraging, either.

    What the Obama team needs to understand is that for many LGBT Americans, this November was bittersweet. We were thrilled with Obama's victory and, in fact, many of us worked the phones, pounded the pavement and wrote checks to make that happen. But the next day, we learned that Proposition 8 passed in California, and our hearts sank. It was the biggest loss our community has faced in decades.

    One of the biggest reasons for that hurtful outcome was the Rev. Rick Warren, who publicly endorsed Proposition 8 in late October. He told his parishioners and reporters alike that "any pastor could be considered doing hate speech if he shared his views that he didn't think homosexuality was the most natural way for relationships." But civil marriage rights for same-sex couples had nothing whatsoever to do with religion.

    More recently, he even compared same-sex marriage to incest, pedophilia and polygamy. He may cloak himself in media-friendly happy talk that plays well on television, but he stands steadfastly against any measure of equality for LGBT Americans.

    President-elect Obama must now, as my mother used to say, put some meat on the bone. We've seen appointment after appointment of talented Americans who come from constituencies that are part of this country and that helped gain his election. Well, we're one of those constituencies who actually worked and voted for Obama, unlike Warren and probably most of his 21,000 parishioners. Yet, we're the ones left waiting for some real evidence of inclusion.

    So, are we angry about Rick Warren? You bet we are. And including a gay marching band in the inaugural festivities doesn't heal this wound. It only serves to make us question the promises that Barack Obama made in his historic quest to be president. We pray we weren't misled.

    The writer is president of the Human Rights Campaign.

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    I would pay good money to see Grimm 'apoplectic'
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    the maddest I've ever been in here is maybe 40%, and that's being generous
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    so that's more like 'infuriated' really.
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    nah.. maybe "really irritated".

    I don't like to get very mad. I have a massive temper i keep under lock and key.. i didn't really know I had it till my 20's, as I had kept it really sublimated throughout my childhood and teenage years.
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    Grimm, I imagine change comes much faster in Canada than it does here. People don't change easily here. That's the point I'm trying to make. I mean, it was over 100 years after slavery before the Civil Rights Act passed. It's not like America was falling over itself ensuring equality. Sadly, it's always a long road here.

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    The states are really slow for change......the metric system, gay marriage, changing our money, etc.
    If I can't be a good example, then let me be a horrible warning.

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