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    Quote Originally Posted by philbert_wormly View Post
    I still do not understand why Obama cannot just have the whole area declared a natural disaster area and have things tended to from there.

    This disaster is man made. Nothing 'natural' about it



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    I am sorry but what is the correct term, then?

    National Disaster or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConstanceSpry View Post
    They should drop all the BP CEO's and other fuckheads right into the oil, see how THEY like it.
    and then ... light it up!
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    I am sorry but what is the correct term, then?

    National Disaster or something?
    It's clearly a fucking disaster of some sort. I fucking hate this kind of shit. So many poor people rely on fishing and the environment to make a living in so many areas. it's disgusting.
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    There is an interesting article in the Christian Science Monitor about how the BP Oil Spill is messing over the the shrimpers and it is partially framed within the after affects of Hurricane Katrina...

    With fishing grounds closed by Gulf oil spill, what's a shrimper to do? - CSMonitor.com


    From day to day, fishermen do not know whether the state will let them take their boats out shrimping. They do not know if BP is ever going to call, asking them to put down protective booms – as the company has said it would. They do not know what to do if they have to continue living off occasional $5,000 BP assistance checks – less than one-third of what a single shrimping trip can bring in. Most important, they do not know when this is all going to end.
    Anxiety over a lack of work has been heightened by the past five years, which have been tough for Louisiana shrimpers. Katrina led to a near collapse in shrimp prices, attributable partly to cheap foreign imports. A pound of shrimp that sold for $3.25 before Katrina went for as little as 50 cents last season.
    ...there is more of it if anyone would care to read it at the link or what have you.

    The shrimpers work in a multigenerational industry. My sister in law is from La. originally and she told me that this line of work has been passed down from father to son and all for ages now.

    It is like a fair amount of the entire ecosystem of La. is going to be destroyed beyond repair. I am trying to learn more of this, but it is just to much, because it almost makes me feel like crying the more I think of it. I did volunteer work after Hurricane Katrina with my church (The Quakers) and I helped more than a few folks who tried very hard to stay within La. just because of the shrimping industry and all of that. And, now, these same folks might have to just pack up and leave for good because their very own industry might be deemed null and void because of BP and everything.

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    and the band just continues to play while nobody does a fucking thing!
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    It's clearly a fucking disaster of some sort. I fucking hate this kind of shit. So many poor people rely on fishing and the environment to make a living in so many areas. it's disgusting.
    I know. I can't even bring myself to read too much about it. Just thinking about it makes me almost cry.

    Travel and tourism on the Gulf Coast, fucked. Gulf seafood industry, fucked. Thousands of species of ocean life, fucked.

    And the worst thing about it is how nonchalant most people seem to be about it all.

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    Do I need to donate a fucking box of tampons? Fucking plug it up. This is getting ridiculous.

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    Default Obama's Sluggish Oil Spill Response

    Why has the administration been so slow to take charge of the disaster in the Gulf?



    Nearly one month into the worst environmental catastrophe in US history, President Barack Obama finally appeared to be stepping up his response to the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. On Saturday, he announced the formation of a national commission to prevent future spills. In the past week, his administration has also called on BP to make more information on the spill available to the public, and to find a less toxic alternative to the chemicals it's using to disperse the oil. These were noteworthy developments, because when it comes to the response effort, the Obama administration has been surprisingly hands-off. But despite the administration's latest moves, it's still leaving many of the critical decisions to BP.

    For starters, despite BP's repeated failure to stop the flow of oil into the sea, the firm remains in charge of the efforts to plug the well. This weekend, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Thad Allen affirmed his support for BP and its CEO in an interview with CNN. "I trust Tony Hayward," he said—a statement that did little to allay concerns that the administration has put too much faith in the oil giant. In a White House press conference on Monday, reporters pressed Allen about why the federal government hasn't pushed BP aside (on Sunday, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar had indicated it might do so). Allen bluntly replied, "To push BP out of the way would raise the question of to replace them with what"—adding that the federal government doesn't have the technology or expertise to deal with this problem.

    BP has also kept a tight grip on information about the spill, despite the fact that the Coast Guard, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) are all operating in the area. And there are reasons to believe that BP is significantly misrepresenting the extent of the problem. The firm has repeatedly claimed that 5,000 barrels of oil are leaking into the sea each day—which Hayward described as a "relatively tiny" amount compared to the "very big ocean." But outside experts have said the real number is likely far higher—one of the worst-case estimates is as high as 95,000 barrels daily. Confronted about the discrepancy, Salazar told a Senate panel last Tuesday that the government was setting up a task force to determine the most accurate figure—nearly four weeks after the spill began. (NOAA head Jane Lubchenco told reporters on Thursday that the 5,000-barrel figure "was always understood to be a very rough estimate.")

    Under heavy pressure from the media and members of Congress, BP finally released a live feed of the spill site on Thursday, which will allow outside experts to evaluate the flow of oil. But BP still appears to be asserting control over some areas affected by the spill. A CBS news team was chased off a Louisiana beach last week, and Mother Jones' Mac McClelland was barred from a tar-slicked beach by a sheriff on Friday and informed that she'd have to obtain permission from a BP "liaison" to talk to local residents.

    Greenpeace and Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington (CREW) have filed Freedom of Information Act requests seeking all of the information the government has on the spill. The groups believe that the administration knows a lot more about the scale of the disaster than it's let on. "This is a government with lots of smart people in it," said Damon Moglen, global warming campaign director at Greenpeace. "Did nobody do the math?"

    For almost four weeks, the Environmental Protection Agency also allowed BP to dictate the choice of chemical dispersant used to prevent the oil from spreading. Scientists raised concerns that BP's chosen dispersant, Corexit, could cause significant harm to marine ecosystems. But although the Environmental Protection Agency directed BP to find a less toxic alternative last Thursday, the oil giant has refused to do so, and continues to withhold crucial information about the chemicals it's spraying over the Gulf.

    The administration also announced Thursday that it is forming a Flow Rate Technical Team comprised of experts from the Coast Guard and government agencies to assess the rate at which oil is flowing into the Gulf. And Director of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and EPA administrator Lisa Jackson wrote to the company asking it to post all its information about the spill "on a publicly accessible website."

    Yet critics say the administration should be doing far more. Members of Congress from both sides of the aisle grilled administration officials on the response last week. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) criticized Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and the administration for being "a bit slow moving." (For his part, Salazar said, "The characterization of slowness is absolutely wrong and misplaced.")

    As one reporter pointed out to White House spokesman Robert Gibbs on Thursday, it's not enough to ask BP to be more transparent. "Why are you not demanding it?" the reporter said.

    Gibbs' response was less than forceful: "We think that is what the company owes, again, both us and the American people as we work through our response and as the public has questions about their operations." When pressed on whether BP could be trusted to provide accurate information, Gibbs said he thought the company would "respond favorably" to Napolitano and Jackson’s letter. Pressed again about the letter's weak wording, Gibbs got testy: "Well, do you have a better idea?"

    A coalition of 10 conservation groups have called on the federal government to take charge of monitoring the spill and its environmental impact, and to release that information to the public. "BP has every financial incentive to downplay the scale of the spill and the damages," says Jeremy Symons, senior vice president for conservation and education at the National Wildlife Federation. As long as BP remains in the lead, decisions will be driven by its need to minimize its liability, says Kristine Stratton, executive director of the Waterkeeper Alliance. "We've got risk-based decision making happening, as opposed to precautionary decision making." On Friday, Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) called for BP to create a fund that would help cover the costs of bringing independent scientists to the scene, rather than relying on those hired by the oil firm, which BP agreed to on Monday.

    There are several possible reasons for the administration's reluctance to take charge of the recovery effort. No one—not BP, not the administration—seems to know how to stop the gushing well. Nor do they know just how bad this mess could get. The administration would prefer that the blood stay on BP's hands.

    There's also the awkward fact that weeks before the spill, the White House announced a vast expansion of offshore drilling. Eighteen days before the Deepwater Horizon blowout, Obama observed, "It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don't cause spills." Even in the wake of the disaster, he's continued to support offshore drilling, only calling for a time-out on expansion plans. Perhaps because of the administration's need to defend its embrace of drilling, it hasn't used the BP debacle to push for an end to fossil fuel dependence.

    In fact, last week at the Senate panel, Salazar dug in to defend the administration's drilling plans. "We should be honest with ourselves…we are dependent on oil and gas and we will be," Salazar told senators. "That frankly sounds like something we’d hear from Bush administration folks," says one Democratic aide. "That's not encouraging." Obama, too, reaffirmed his belief that offshore drilling should remain in the country's energy portfolio in his weekly address Saturday.

    BP plans to try a so-called "top kill" early this week, in which it will shoot heavy drilling liquid into the hole to choke off the flow of oil and natural gas. In case that fails, the company is also drilling two relief wells, though experts warn those may take until August to complete. If you believe BP's estimates, more than 7 million gallons of oil have already hemorrhaged into the Gulf; if you believe the most alarming outside estimates, the figure is likely closer to 136 million. Then there's the more than 785,000 gallons of toxic dispersant that BP has already added to Gulf waters. One thing is clear: Failure to act decisively now will only add to the magnitude of the problem.

    The Obama administration appears to be calculating that assuming full control of the effort in the Gulf could lead to the disaster being branded "Obama's Katrina." But not taking every possible step to minimize the damage may ultimately lead to the same result.


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    I'm sorry... the author actually said the Obama admin so far has been "surprisingly" hands off?

    Dude has been hands off about EVERYTHING until right at the end when he makes a desperate dash to get it done.

    That's how he's worked on everything. Stare at it until it becomes a massive clusterfuck, and then try to save it.

    God he's an idiot.
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    No, he is not. He's faced with a lot of shit at the moment and I don't think anyone could say that he could have predicted this spill, or solved everything with one fell swoop of his hand. Here's something I read online today:

    Foxrocks bemoans the fact that Obama couldn't solve the Bush recession, save the Bush economy, pay off the Bush debt, restore the Bush-crushed milddle class AND replace the Bush cronies all in his first couple of years.Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post
    He came into office at probably the worst moment in American history for the last 80 to 100 years. He isn't perfect and hasn't always had the perfect response but damn, he's not he fucking anti-christ either.
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    Oh face reality. The "a lot on his plate" crap is getting old. He knew what the plate held before he ran, if he couldn't fucking handle it then he should have kept his ass home. Also, the "magic wand" argument is also fucking tired because it's bull. Nobody is asking him to wave a magic wand, but when he does a consistent 180 on pretty much every campaign plank he ran on, SOMETHING IS WRONG. That's not a lack of a magic wand, that's an incorrect direction.

    Secondly, his doucheboy Salazar has continued handing out permits to drill WITHOUT the necessary ok's from the EPA and other government departments, basically giving oil companies carte blanche to do whatever they felt like in contravention of the law.

    Thirdly, 27 NEW such permits have been handed out even AFTER this insanity!

    Nobody is saying he's the antichrist, but so far he's been a totally absent leader that injects himself into the fray only at the last possible minute in order to save whatever topic is at hand from total destruction.

    This is not operating in a damn void, this is the impression he is giving off to most people.
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    He has alot on his plate. Im over it. There are those that will defend him to the end no matter what. For sure was the lesser of two evils, but the man needs to step up already
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    sarah palin would've just dumped her collection of animal carcasses in the gulf.

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    IG report: Meth, porn use by drilling agency staff - Yahoo! News

    WASHINGTON – Staff members at an agency that oversees offshore drilling accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography, according to an Interior Department report alleging a culture of cronyism between regulators and the industry.
    In at least one case, an inspector for the Minerals Management Service admitted using crystal methamphetamine and said he might have been under the influence of the drug the next day at work, according to the report by the acting inspector general of the Interior Department.

    The report cites a variety of violations of federal regulations and ethics rules at the agency's Louisiana office. Previous inspector general investigations have focused on inappropriate behavior by the royalty-collection staff in the agency's Denver office.
    The report adds to the climate of frustration and criticism facing the Obama administration in the monthlong oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, although it covers actions before the spill. Millions of gallons of oil are gushing into the Gulf, endangering wildlife and the livelihoods of fishermen, as scrutiny intensifies on a lax regulatory climate.
    The report began as a routine investigation, the acting inspector general, Mary Kendall, said in a cover letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose department includes the agency.
    "Unfortunately, given the events of April 20 of this year, this report had become anything but routine, and I feel compelled to release it now," she wrote.

    Her biggest concern is the ease with which minerals agency employees move between industry and government, Kendall said. While no specifics were included in the report, "we discovered that the individuals involved in the fraternizing and gift exchange — both government and industry — have often known one another since childhood," Kendall said.
    Their relationships took precedence over their jobs, Kendall said.
    The report follows a 2008 report by then-Inspector General Earl Devaney that decried a "culture of ethical failure" and conflicts of interest at the minerals agency.

    Salazar called the latest report "deeply disturbing" and said it highlights the need for changes he has proposed, including a plan to abolish the minerals agency and replace it with three new entities.
    The report "is further evidence of the cozy relationship between some elements of MMS and the oil and gas industry," Salazar said Tuesday. "I appreciate and fully support the inspector general's strong work to root out the bad apples in MMS."
    Salazar said several employees cited in the report have resigned, were fired or were referred for prosecution. Actions may be taken against others as warranted, he said.
    The report covers activities between 2000 and 2008. Salazar said he has asked Kendall to expand her investigation to look into agency actions since he took office in January 2009.
    Salazar last week proposed eliminating the Minerals Management Service and replacing it with two bureaus and a revenue collection office. The name Minerals Management Service would no longer exist.

    Members of Congress and President Barack Obama have criticized what they call the cozy relationship between regulators and oil companies and have vowed to reform MMS, which both regulates the industry and collects billions in royalties from it.
    The report said that employees from the Lake Charles, La., MMS office had repeatedly accepted gifts, including hunting and fishing trips from the Island Operating Company, an oil and gas company working on oil platforms regulated by the Interior Department.
    Taking such gifts "appears to have been a generally accepted practice," the report said.

    Two employees at the Lake Charles office admitted using illegal drugs, and many inspectors had e-mails that contained inappropriate humor and pornography on their government computers, the report said.
    Kendall recommended a series of steps to improve ethical standards, including a two-year waiting period for agency employees to join the oil or gas industry.
    One MMS inspector conducted four inspections of Island Operating platforms while negotiating and later accepting employment with the company, the report said.
    A spokeswoman for Island Operating Company could not be reached for comment. The Louisiana-based company says on it website that it has "an impeccable safety record" and cites Safety Awards for Excellence from the MMS in 1999 and 2002. The company was a finalist in other years.
    "Island knows how to get the job done safely and compliantly," the website says.
    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., called the report "yet another black eye for the Minerals Management Service. Once again, MMS employees have been found culpable of performing shoddy oversight of offshore drilling. The report reveals an overly cozy culture between MMS regulators and the oil industry." Feinstein, who chairs a Senate Appropriations subcommittee that oversees the Interior Department, said she will hold a hearing next month on Salazar's plan to restructure the agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    No, he is not. He's faced with a lot of shit at the moment and I don't think anyone could say that he could have predicted this spill, or solved everything with one fell swoop of his hand. Here's something I read online today:



    He came into office at probably the worst moment in American history for the last 80 to 100 years. He isn't perfect and hasn't always had the perfect response but damn, he's not he fucking anti-christ either.
    Yeah, he's a fucking idiot. boofucking hoo. every motherfucker who wants that job, knows what the job entails. If you can't fucking do it, don't fucking run! People wonder why the red states stay red and the blue stays blue, it's because of shit like this. This particular pile of shit floating around - millions of fucking GALLONS of this shit- sure as fuck cost him my vote. He's done diddly fucking squat! I don't care how full his fucking plate is, I don't care if he hates going to work every day - he can't call in sick on this one!
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    Oh face reality. The "a lot on his plate" crap is getting old. He knew what the plate held before he ran, if he couldn't fucking handle it then he should have kept his ass home. Also, the "magic wand" argument is also fucking tired because it's bull. Nobody is asking him to wave a magic wand, but when he does a consistent 180 on pretty much every campaign plank he ran on, SOMETHING IS WRONG. That's not a lack of a magic wand, that's an incorrect direction.

    Secondly, his doucheboy Salazar has continued handing out permits to drill WITHOUT the necessary ok's from the EPA and other government departments, basically giving oil companies carte blanche to do whatever they felt like in contravention of the law.

    Thirdly, 27 NEW such permits have been handed out even AFTER this insanity!

    Nobody is saying he's the antichrist, but so far he's been a totally absent leader that injects himself into the fray only at the last possible minute in order to save whatever topic is at hand from total destruction.

    This is not operating in a damn void, this is the impression he is giving off to most people.
    It's insane! It's bullshit! we've all been lied to once again. BP refuses - REFUSES - to follow recommendations from the EPA. What the fuck is that? EPA can't make them follow orders and our fucking president doesn't give a fucking rats ass.
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