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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    Planned Parenthood is a goverment agency, paid for by taxes. Hence, tax payer funded. Taxpayer Funding of Abortion

    According to wikipedia, there is also a some sort of National Agency that gives grant money, for it too.
    Planned Parenthood is NOT a government agency. They receive federal funding for some of their programs just like a lot of other non-profit agencies that also apply for available funding. Geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    Planned Parenthood is a goverment agency, paid for by taxes. Hence, tax payer funded. Taxpayer Funding of Abortion

    According to wikipedia, there is also a some sort of National Agency that gives grant money, for it too.
    Since you like Wikipedia, here's a list of federal government agencies from Wiki. See Planned Parenthood on there? Thought not.

    List of United States federal agencies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Planned Parenthood is a not-for-profit. I expect that for the most part they are privately funded. It also seems from a quick Google search, that the county PP is located in actually allocates federal dollars to PP, so the decision is made on the local level.

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    guys, stop it with the facts and reality, it gets in the way of uneducated ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suede View Post
    I'm pro choice - I don't remember my opinion being counted.
    Me,either!
    Quote Originally Posted by chattykathy View Post
    The taxes paid by everyone in our country go towards funding abortions. As long as people's taxes are going to fund something they feel is morally wrong,they have the right to complain about it.
    Where the hell have you been the last 8 years? My taxes went to the stupid abstinence idea-allowing spread of disease and poor women and teens getting zero help for unwanted pregnancy. I personally give money to Planned Parenthood. I shall make another donation today,in your name.

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    ETA: That's the BS they told people to get them to say they're pro-life!! And if my taxes are paying for abortions, then fine.. I'd rather they pay for an abortion than to pay welfare to a mom who will neglect and abuse it once it is born!
    Exactly,Diva! I'd rather see 100 abortions than one more battered and slaughtered live baby forced on a mother who is heartless & resentful. My heart can't take that.
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    5.17.2009

    Abortion Poll Roundup

    by Ed Kilgore @ 6:23 PM

    As I noted on Friday, there's been quite a brouhaha over new polls from Pew and from Gallup that suggest a sudden shift towards anti-abortion sentiment in America. The timing of these polls, on the very eve of anti-abortion protests against President Obama's commencement address at Notre Dame, and in the run-up to a probable culture war over the President's Supreme Court appointment, has guaranteed a lot of hype. Most of it has focused on Gallup's findings, since (1) the Pew poll, while showing a shift from the "mushy middle" position leaning pro-choice to the one leaning pro-life, still documented a pro-choice majority, while (2) Gallup trumpeted this headline: "More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time." Them's fightin' words.

    Even as anti-abortionists celebrated that headline, some informed criticism of the Gallup findings has pretty clearly shown them to be an almost certain outlier, and highly misleading to boot.

    First up, the partisan composition of the Gallup poll sample drew some attention--not surprisingly, since Gallup itself suggested that the "big shift" on abortion was occurring almost entirely among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.

    Charles Franklin at pollster.com made this discovery and observation:
    The latest Gallup (5/7-10/09) poll has party identification tied at 32-32 and caused an immediate howl of "outlier!" in the comments at Pollster.com. In this case, the howl is justified. Compared to all recent Gallup polls (so we compare apples to apples) this latest stands out quite a bit from the rest.
    Franklin also deals with the theory that polls which ask lots of questions on "values" issues tend to push the party ID numbers. In polling parlance, this is known as the "question order" effect. In the current case, a significant "question order" effect would imply that the abortion numbers are valid, while the party ID numbers may be emphemeral. But looking at similar Gallup surveys in the past, Franklin deduces that it's never been a factor before, and thus there's no reason to believe it's a factor now.

    Thus Franklin concludes:
    It is easier to be confident about the outlier status of this poll than to account for why it is so clearly out of line with previous Gallup results. At least we can address the outlier status empirically and with some statistical confidence. They "why" of that status must remain the always true maxim: "Outliers Happen."
    So Gallup has published an outlier. But even if you disagree, what does the poll actually show, given the big broad strokes of "pro-choice" and "pro-life" opinions?

    At the always-valuable academic site The Monkey Cage, John Sides takes a look at attitudes on abortion policy as indicated in the exceptionally long-range National Election Studies and General Social Survey. The former reinforces Nate Silver's post from last week emphasizing the stable pro-choice majority of abortion polling for a long, long time. And the latter underlines my own argument that all the top-line findings on abortion attitudes disguise high levels of support for exceptions to abortion restrictions that closely track the pro-choice position and the constitutional status quo.

    In particular, GSS shows an exceptionally durable 80%-plus level of support for a "health exception," which happens to be the actual flash-point separating pro-life activists from the rest of the population. In other words, lots of "pro-life" Americans consistently, and over decades, favor an exception that pro-life activists adamantly consider a complete repudiation of the pro-life point of view.

    So even if the Gallup folks are right (and they almost certainly aren't), that there's now a "pro-life" majority among Americans, it's meaningless in terms of support for a change in abortion policy. That may not get any headlines, but it's worth knowing.
    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Abortion Poll Roundup

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