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    Thank you BBFSP... My dad always expressed how scared he was, that his dad (my granddad) would have to go back even though he had served his time (Korea) & now had a great job being a helicopter mechanic locally... or his older brother. The draft is what scared my dad to keep his hippie ass in school...

    Even though I know a President is the Commander in Chief, somehow I'm not so sold on the fact that he should have SERVED the military. If that changes per people, then ask that of EVERY candidate. People being pissy about Romney, um... he's MORMON. Going on a missionary thing is not unheard of & actually a prerequisite on his further development in the church. I dont support him, but I have seen how mormons work - They are required to go on some form of "missionary" work for the church. Remember those guys in suits & ties bicycling...? Yeah...
    So... back to Obama... I'm neither anti or pro - but he has NO MILITARY SERVICE, he wasnt even asked as a consultant for war - he half assed gave us "Obamacare", having a government FORCED "hea;th care" then PUNISHED for not taking it... I'm just wanting my fellow peeps open their God damn eyes.
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    I thought Mormon missionaries were trying to convert people, not doing charity work. Or do they? There aren't enough of them here to know, I only ever see them door-knocking or standing outside train stations and they aren't helping the poor by doing that.
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    Yeah, why is military service even being discussed? It ain't a prerequisite, ya know? Maybe it should be. That would certainly weed out some assholes who are real brave when it comes to other people's lives! Maybe if they had served themselves, they would really think about that shit before deciding to send people to war or to remain in a war. Of course, it that's what we went by, McCain and Palin would have won the previous election, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    Yeah, why is military service even being discussed? It ain't a prerequisite, ya know? Maybe it should be. That would certainly weed out some assholes who are real brave when it comes to other people's lives! Maybe if they had served themselves, they would really think about that shit before deciding to send people to war or to remain in a war. Of course, it that's what we went by, McCain and Palin would have won the previous election, huh?
    I believe Obama was one of the first candidates in recent years for whom the Vietnam question was moot. In previous election years we had GWB, Bill Clinton, and others who avoided active service in Vietnam--someone always could (and did) throw it in their teeth. With Obama that wasn't even a question.

    I'll admit I had hopes for BHO because he was vocal in speaking out against the Iraq war during the run-up--I think he was in the Illinois state senate then.

    But the main thing is what Mel said. I hate those people who are so quick to start or continue a war but have never served or would never send a child of their own to fight. I hate war anyway. It's just part of this bullshit American obsession with looking strong from the outside while not attending to what is going on on the inside.

    I'm pretty sure at this point I do want to go live in Europe and be a socialist, preferably in a country that got war out of its system in the last century.
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    I'm sure Obama signed up for Selective Service (as it is mandatory), but he was too young for Vietnam; he was still in high school when hostilities ended.
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    oh don't get me wrong, i think it's bullshit to expect candidates to have fought or served but since it's republicans who are constantly shoving it in people's faces and the conservative press who makes a big deal out of liberal hippies who didn't join the army, i think it is a bigger deal when military-fetishist republicans avoid going to war, which is what mitt did, so he could go hang out in france and harass people with no interest in becoming mormons.
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    She is a homophobe AND a racist.


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    I ran across this analysis of the Facebook pages of Romney and Obama. It's fascinating that, while the pages themselves are quite similar, the reactions of the users are so very different. What resonated with Obama’s and Romney’s Facebook followers?
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    In case y'all missed it, here is Romney Style from College Humor. I love when "Ryan Paul" comes in halfway through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    She is a homophobe AND a racist.

    She clearly hasn't met my extended family! 2nd and 3rd generation white folks receiving every drop of aid they can get their grubby hands on/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw View Post
    She is a homophobe AND a racist.



    Has she met the Duggars?
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    Finally a cogent reason Romney lost.

    Romney says Obama won by offering 'gifts' to minorities and young voters

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    CNN's Ashley Killough and Kevin Bohn (CNN) – Mitt Romney told donors on a call Wednesday that President Barack Obama outmatched him by offering "gifts" to African-Americans, Hispanics and young voters, according to various news outlets.
    The former Republican nominee also made similar arguments on another call earlier in the day, CNN confirmed.

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    "What the president, president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government. And then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote," Romney said in the afternoon call, according to audio aired on ABC News.
    The 2012 Republican nominee, who lost to Obama by 126 electoral votes, said the president courted voters by offering policies–some of them this election year–that appealed to key constituencies in the Democratic base.
    "With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest, was a big gift," Romney said, according to The New York Times.
    "Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged women," he continued. "And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents' plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008."
    The president's health care reform plan, he added, also turned out support from African Americans and Hispanic voters.
    "You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you're now going to get free health care, particularly if you don't have it, getting free health care worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity, I mean, this is huge," he said. "Likewise with Hispanic voters, free healthcare was a big plus. But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group."
    A spokesperson for Romney, who has stayed away from the public spotlight since losing the election last week, did not return a request for comment about the call.
    Romney had another call Wednesday morning with a couple dozen people who were part of the financial leadership of his campaign, but he did not make the same “gifts” comment.
    The former nominee did say on that call that he really respected how the Obama administration was able to “craft” specific policies that ended up attracting the support of key demographic groups. He mentioned contraceptive coverage as well as student loan policies that were important for young adults, according to one participant on the call.
    He said he was sorry and disappointed that he lost but added his team had put everything it could into the election.
    “We didn’t leave anything on the field,” one donor on the call told CNN.
    He talked about how turnout was a lot lower this year, mentioning how the president got fewer votes than he did four years ago and that he got less than the 2008 Republican nominee, John McCain, received.
    Romney told the donors he wanted to stay involved in public policy in some form but did not provide any details.
    Romney's remarks come after top Republicans in recent days have pushed for a bigger tent party, saying the GOP learned this election that it has work to do in terms of demographic changes.
    "We've got to be a lot more inclusive and open and energetic and wanting people to join our team by expressing why these conservative values are good for people of all races, creeds, colors, and national origin," Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, previously a top surrogate for Romney, said last week on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront." "We've just got to do a better job with that."
    In the presidential race, Obama won 93% of African American vote, 71% of the Latino vote and 60% of those between the ages of 18 and 29. Romney, meanwhile, took 59% of the white voting bloc, according to CNN exit polls.
    On the Democratic side, women and minorities made historic gains this election. For the first time, women and minorities will outnumber male Democrats in the House of Representatives. The U.S. Senate will also have a record number of women-20-when the 113th Congress convenes in January.
    Romney, on the 20-minute call, said he was "disappointed" with the final election tally and "hadn't anticipated it." Looking ahead, Romney said the party is "still so troubled by the past (that) it's hard to put together our plans for the future," according to the Los Angeles Times.
    Speaking to the donors, Romney praised them for their success in fundraising and suggested they help with "perhaps the selection of a future nominee – which, by the way, will not be me."
    The campaign's finance chairman, Spencer Zwick, said on the call that Romney's team had raised more than $900 million; Romney added he had not expected to take in more than $500 million, according to the Los Angeles Times.
    Romney says Obama won by offering ‘gifts’ to minorities and young voters – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    Geez. What a stupid thing to say. He has more money than God and still no one likes him except his family and he couldn't purchase the presidency.
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    Dude, get over it. You lost because you're a lox, and no one likes you.
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    The moron lost because he got the lesser number of votes. Pretty fucking simple.
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    So basically he's saying that sluts, blacks, brown people and young stupid people who don't know any better that elected Obama. Ah, mittens...
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