Life begins 2 weeks before you even have sex, according to Arizona

**Novice** · April 13th, 2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by nwgirl

I'm confused...I haven't even had sex recently, but does that mean I could be pregnant?

And of course Brewer will sign this in. Her body hasn't produced eggs in decades. She won't be affected by this.

Yes.
And if you have a period, your body has committed murder without you knowing it!

**ManxMouse** · April 13th, 2012, 10:32 AM

As someone who would be of quite advanced maternal age should I decide to have another baby, these laws scare the shit out of me. If I were to conceive a baby with severe defects, it should be up to ME and my husband how to proceed, with the advice of my doctor. It is sick, twisted, and evil that these grandstanding old assholes are interfering in such difficult, personal decisions when they most often involve fetuses with severe problems. All of these dickheads need to be Ceausescu'd before we turn into cold-war era Romania.

**Just Kill Me** · April 13th, 2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by a31cefiro

I don't really get how this is bad? Women usually don't know when they ovulated and conceived, pregnancy is always dated from the first day of your last cycle.

They're shaving 2 weeks off the time allowed and the bolded part of your statement is kind of why this is "bad"
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**Kathie_Moffett** · April 13th, 2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by BoogsBun

There is something afoot going on. The republicans are setting Obama up to be the fallguy for it. Obama has done pretty much jack shit the past four years, pissed a lot of Democrats off. If something big were to happen, and the President still acts like he does now, we are fucked. When 2016 rolls around, and the Republicans throw a person actually worth voting for, to clean up the mess, and maintain it. Scary shit right there.

Think about it. Santorum has a sick kid, yet he started this whole family values, pro-life crap. The hornet's nest was kicked, now he's left the running. With all these insane abortion bills being introduced, women across the country are fucking furious. We make up a nice chunk of the voting pool, piss us off, we will vote for the other guy. All of this abortion shit, imo, is basically just giving Obama a majority of the women voters votes. Then think about the pissed off Democrats, who would they vote for to get Obama out, the Mormon, or the guy with bad hair, neither is really worth the gas it takes to drive to the voting booths.

If the Republicans REALLY wanted to get into office this year, they probably could have, yet they just gave us Romney and Gingrich to pick from. As far as scheming, and political agendas go, imo Republicans are much better at it, than Democrats. So if the Republicans are just shooing Obama in, you can't say they aren't up to something.

I've been wondering about this myself. NOTHING else explains Sin-torum, the unspeakable git Gingrich (with all his divorces and overt whoring) and most of all the empty-headed Twitt Womney as the ONLY candidates the entire Republican party can come up with to put against Obama. That just isn't credible to me. The Repugs can't be THAT stupid and hopeless or they'd never have gotten into the Presidency as many times as they have.

Setting Obama up longterm for a massive, horrific fail is much more credible, actually. If we see some incredibly sellable, slick Republican wunderkind appear seemingly outta nowhere and start making his (or her) way up the ladder in the next four years, that'll support this theory very well indeed. I wonder if they were testing Herman Cain to see how well a black opponent might work against Obama next time around. He got a surprising amount of support.

I dunno. I'm not much of a tinfoil hat wearer myself either, but if WE could think of this stuff, so could they; plus, isn't it pretty clear by now that most all of our elected reps are part of one big corrupt infrastructure that is NOT truly working for us the people? *shrug* Obama better try hitting it out of the park this time around. I figure since now he'll be a lame duck, he might play it a bit less safe. How that will actually pan out...who IS the real Obama...well, haha, we'll see won't we? Cuz he IS getting reelected.

**caramel** · April 13th, 2012, 05:10 PM

well fuck it, im a mama then and my brain is makin codein babies

**a31cefiro** · April 13th, 2012, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Just Kill Me

They're shaving 2 weeks off the time allowed and the bolded part of your statement is kind of why this is "bad"
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So is it changing the laws of abortion, meaning you miss out on 2 weeks where you could potentially have an abortion? Sorry if I sound dumb, just trying to understand. So instead of, say, being able to abort up to 20 weeks it would then only be 18?

**Novice** · April 14th, 2012, 03:45 AM

Yup, you've got it.

**stef** · April 14th, 2012, 08:34 AM

WTF is going on in the states right now, really?

The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.

The third bill requires that schools teach students that adoption and birth are the most acceptable outcomes for an unwanted pregnancy.

Originally Posted by western

As abhorrent as I find all three bills, this one disturbs me the most. Not only does it allow a doctor to withhold important medical information preventing the patient from making informed decisions (or plans if they CHOOSE to keep the child), but it also leaves the patient without the ability to sue for what is effectively malpractice. How can this bill even be legal?!?

that's what i'm wondering. this is so sick.

and the third bill is absolutely unacceptable as well. indoctrination at its best.

**dallison** · April 15th, 2012, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl

That is how they determine gestational age, I never understood it. But it's just ridiculous in this context. Not surprising but insane all the same.

And this is why women on Maury are so stunned when "he" is "NOT THE FATHER!"

They don't do the math properly. lol

**WhateverLolaWants** · April 16th, 2012, 02:48 PM

I don't know about the conspiracy theory. I agree that the situation sucks, but remember how any candidate running against Bush in the 2004 election was a shoe in and then the Democrats produced Kerry? That was awful. I think some of the same shit was going on, and it wasn't out of a deeper, darker intelligence but rather born out of disorganization and overblown self interest.

**witchcurlgirl** · April 16th, 2012, 07:44 PM

i want to start charging men who jerk off and spooge into kleenex with murder. fair's fair.

**Nevan** · April 16th, 2012, 08:13 PM

^^^ Ooooh, love that! Snap!

**WhateverLolaWants** · April 16th, 2012, 08:18 PM

Yeah, I often wonder how the tides would turn if men had to get a prescription to buy condoms, and if condoms were the same price as birth control and if insurance companies could refuse to cover them.

**BBDSP** · April 16th, 2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl

i want to start charging men who jerk off and spooge into kleenex with murder. fair's fair.

Constance Johnson, a Democrat state senator from Oklahoma, is already on this. Saw it on the Daily Show earlier this week.

Bro-Choice - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 04/11/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

Hilarious.