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    WOW did anyone see the post from someone named Liberella about McCain on the Huffington Post article about McCain bringing up Ayres in the debate article? I am stunned he is using this McPow thing as a platform after reading what supposedly went down with Captain America (that's next). (page 2 of comments, half way down)

    McCain: At Wednesday's Debate I Plan To Bring Up Ayers

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    McCain: 3 Decades of Putting Country Last

    Google the words "McCain POW MIA" "there's a litany of the most callous and treasonous acts committed by McCain against powerless POW families.

    Why does no one speak up and stand with the broken families of POW/MIAs left in the wake of McCain's ambitions? Is Sydney Schanberg--pulitzer prize-winning author--the only journalist brave and patriotic enough in all our media? Did Schanberg and countless Vets and family members of POWs make all this up? For 30 years?

    Why has even our "liberal" media chosen to hide McCain"s (documented and self-disclosed) POW history of extensively collaborating with the Vietcong? How many servicemen were left behind as a result of his wishing to conceal his past?

    PLEASE INVESTIGATE MCCAIN"s war & senate record: how he vilified, bullied, manhandled and broke down the families of MIAs and POWs for 30 yrs. Ask them to come forward, so Americans learn the truth about McCain's real character, and where exactly he places Country.

    To all Journalists: I know you like your jobs, but what's the point if it costs you your country.

    To all Americans: Investigate the truth for yourselves, instead of just wiping the mud away
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    I had wondered why so few veteran groups were behind him - this could be part of it if it's true.
    as privileged as a whore...victims in demand for public show, swept out through the cracks beneath the door, holier than thou, how?

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    Wow! Go Liberella!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WesCAdle View Post
    WOW did anyone see the post from someone named Liberella about McCain on the Huffington Post article about McCain bringing up Ayres in the debate article? I am stunned he is using this McPow thing as a platform after reading what supposedly went down with Captain America (that's next). (page 2 of comments, half way down)

    McCain: At Wednesday's Debate I Plan To Bring Up Ayers

    Comment starts here:
    McCain: 3 Decades of Putting Country Last

    Google the words "McCain POW MIA" "there's a litany of the most callous and treasonous acts committed by McCain against powerless POW families.

    Why does no one speak up and stand with the broken families of POW/MIAs left in the wake of McCain's ambitions? Is Sydney Schanberg--pulitzer prize-winning author--the only journalist brave and patriotic enough in all our media? Did Schanberg and countless Vets and family members of POWs make all this up? For 30 years?

    Why has even our "liberal" media chosen to hide McCain"s (documented and self-disclosed) POW history of extensively collaborating with the Vietcong? How many servicemen were left behind as a result of his wishing to conceal his past?

    PLEASE INVESTIGATE MCCAIN"s war & senate record: how he vilified, bullied, manhandled and broke down the families of MIAs and POWs for 30 yrs. Ask them to come forward, so Americans learn the truth about McCain's real character, and where exactly he places Country.

    To all Journalists: I know you like your jobs, but what's the point if it costs you your country.

    To all Americans: Investigate the truth for yourselves, instead of just wiping the mud away
    Comment ends here.


    I had wondered why so few veteran groups were behind him - this could be part of it if it's true.
    I actually posted about McCain and the POW issues. The article I posted was an short version of a detailed article about McCain's involvement. The thread is here (it includes a link to the long version) - John McCain and the POW cover-up
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    It gets worse when you read the article Schanberg - a Pulitzer Prize winner for coverage of Cambodia during the Vietnam War- wrote in The Nation this past September. For those of us who lost people in Nam it really makes me ill. Here's the link if anyone's interested.


    www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1


    Sorry for the repeat Albatross just saw your message.
    as privileged as a whore...victims in demand for public show, swept out through the cracks beneath the door, holier than thou, how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisNine View Post
    At least this debate won't be in the whole "Town Hall" style. McCANE won't be toddering around the stage the whole time.
    Or getting lost

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    Maybe Obama will mention Todd's Alaskan Independence Party - today CNN's Rick Sanchez unmasked that bunch of Terrorists, lol!

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    ^I missed it!

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    McCain's task: Break Obama's discipline
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    NEW YORK — John McCain faces the same challenge in the final presidential debate tonight as in the first two encounters: Barack Obama’s discipline.
    After 23 primary and general election debates and hundreds of town hall meetings, Obama appears to have mastered the art of moving coolly from one question to the next, falling back as often on talking points as precise answers. And that, in turn, has frustrated McCain’s bid to turn the past two debates into momentum-shifting events:
    “Obama is like having a media consultant on the stage,” GOP media consultant John Brabender said. “He’ll answer it better than most media consultants sitting there from the sidelines could even think about answering it.”
    Faced with perhaps his last major opportunity to shake up the race, McCain needs to find a way to unnerve Obama, strategists say. He could coax out the prickly side of the Illinois Democrat’s personality, the one that surfaced in New Hampshire when he told Hillary Rodham Clinton that she was “likable enough.”
    Or maybe the moderator does McCain’s work for him, asking the kind of character-based questions that rattled Obama in the last debate before the Pennsylvania primary election. Some strategists say McCain should consider making a narrative-upending announcement, such as a one-term pledge, or ignore the debate format and lob questions at Obama.
    “Fundamentally, McCain needs to change the frame of the race in 90 minutes,” Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio said, adding wryly that the only way for McCain to accomplish this may be “to go back in time.”
    The challenge confronting McCain is an opponent who rarely gets thrown off his game. Once considered a potential liability, Obama’s calm and cool nature is emerging as his overriding virtue and strategy in a campaign transformed by a financial crisis — and it’s a trait well-suited for debates that allow little of the give-and-take that might fluster the Democrat.
    By all accounts, the even-keeled temperament reflects the real Obama. But it is also part of a fiercely protected public image that he is selling to voters, meaning the odds that McCain scores points from either forced or unforced errors may be low.
    “McCain is sort of in an impossible position,” said Steven Elmendorf, a Washington lobbyist and top adviser to John Kerry in 2004. “He is hoping that Barack makes a mistake. There is no evidence that he will do that.”
    With Obama holding close to his largest lead yet in the Gallup Daily Tracking poll, the bar for the nominees couldn’t be more uneven heading into tonight’s debate at Hofstra University.
    The Democrat benefited from two previous encounters that, polls suggest, allowed him to reduce voter concerns about his readiness to serve as commander in chief. At this point, Obama is expected to play it safe.
    The Republican, however, is running out of opportunities — and he needs to turn in a performance that is confrontational but positive, substantive but stylistically appealing. The scope of the order is enormous, strategists say.
    McCain aides promised their candidate would make the most of the final debate.
    “In starker terms than any previous debate, the country will be able to see the difference between Barack Obama’s brand of leadership and John McCain’s record of reforming government, working across the aisle and delivering for America,” McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said. “It will be a more spirited debate than the other three because the stakes are higher and both candidates are going to be eager to explore their differences.”
    McCain attempted to relaunch his bid this week in two carefully crafted speeches. While still focusing attacks on Obama, McCain has stopped trying to raise suspicions about the Democratic nominee — “Who is the real Barack Obama?” — and dropped references to Obama as a “Chicago politician.” Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin hasn’t repeated her charge that Obama was “palling around with terrorists,” a reference to his association with 1960s-era radical William Ayers.
    McCain’s latest rhetorical style — the sort of punchy exhortation meant to inspire, not attack — suggests that he won’t finish the campaign with an aggressive character-based assault.
    But after some goading last week from Obama, who told ABC News that he was surprised his rival “wasn’t willing to say it to my face,” McCain said this week that the Democratic bluster ensured that Ayers would be raised. Aides to the Arizona senator suggested that would happen, though, because they assume moderator Bob Schieffer would raise the issue.

    “It’s difficult to imagine a scenario where it wouldn’t come up in the course of the debate,” Bounds said, though he added that McCain will primarily go after the Democrat on policy.
    “He’s going to look to engage Sen. Obama on his actual record,” Bounds said. “This is the last opportunity the American voter has to, in a sense, learn about what these two individuals represent and their records and leadership style.”
    If McCain does raise the Ayers issue himself, or talks about Obama’s connection with ACORN, a community organizing group enmeshed in a voter registration scandal, the Republican could find himself walking into a trap.
    Obama aides say their candidate will use these attacks to accuse McCain of distracting voters from economic issues, as he has done on the campaign trail.
    “This is John McCain’s last chance to turn this race around and somehow convince the American people that his erratic response to this economic crisis doesn’t disqualify him from being president,” Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said. “Sen. Obama is going to use the debate to discuss his plan for the economy. That’s what he’s been doing for weeks. And while McCain has promised to bring up Bill Ayers to distract voters, every minute that he spends continuing to ignore the economy and the middle class is a minute wasted.”
    Bounds argued that, despite his disadvantage in the polls, McCain was under no great pressure to turn in a transcendent performance.
    “There has not been a debate in this election where John McCain hasn’t been under an extra amount of pressure,” Bounds said, alluding to the Arizona senator’s uphill battle to capture the nomination. “We won the primary and are within striking distance in this race, and if the Obama campaign believes measuring drapes and avoiding engagement is the best course for victory, they may be surprised.”
    But some Republicans said the debate is McCain’s last best chance to not only rescue his own candidacy, but the prospects of Senate and House candidates around the country.
    “It is not just the presidential race that is sliding away,” Fabrizio said. “Everything is making Republicans jittery. The only hope is that McCain can make this race close — or win. So that is what they are hoping for. They would love to see the frame of this race change. Right now everything has receded back to the typical Republican brand. Anything McCain can do to recast this back to the old McCain brand would be a plus for them.”
    Chris Kofinis, an aide to former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards during his 2008 presidential campaign, said Democrats were confident that the shape of the race won’t change overnight.
    “What possible game-changing moment can you actually think will happen? Sen. Obama will be on message,” Kofinis said. “If there is any strategy [for Republicans], it is to stem the bleeding. In terms of a game-changing moment, it ain’t going to happen.” McCain's task: Break Obama's discipline

    Tucker Bounds never gives up.

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    McCain doesn't have a snowball's chance even in the snow of breaking Obama's discipline. I think he already knows it. It's too late, McWrinkles.

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