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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Canada is our biggest partner regarding our exports. They take more of our goods than any other country.

    China is the trading partner who we import the most from. We take in more goods from China than anywhere else.

    And tariffs are paid by the importer, so we are paying on the Chinese goods we bring in.
    WTF? If we export things to China, yes, we pay an tariff to China, which has no increase on the US Treasury. Things that are imported into the US pay a tariff to the US. The US has a trade deficit because we have imported more than we have exported.

    You forget that those tariffs on imports are minimal. Walmart imports almost all of its stuff from China and other nations where items are manufactured cheaply, which is why they can always under cut their competitors. Walmart could not exist if there were large tariffs on imports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    The Government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.
    -George Bernard Shaw
    Exactly. Peter is the American citizen, Paul is the American corporation.

    The corporations have been ripping people off right and left, ripping each other off even. People can't afford housing, food, or fuel costs, oops, they shouldn't have been so greedy, too bad! But investors, bankers, energy corporations, etc. go bankrupt with greed and shady deals and they get BILLIONS of dollars.

    The corporations got enough lobbyists and insiders serving in Washington, they erased the regulation so they could all get rich. Now the country is going to be fucked unless the government intervenes and saves the corporations' asses. You'd think someone who lives in a country that allows them to make OVER A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR would love their country enough to share some of their wealth made possible by the American Dream to help avert an impending, historical national crisis.

    Helping your country and its citizens is a lot more patriotic than slapping some sticker made in China on your car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolios5o View Post
    In my country and I believe in all the Scandinavian countries, taxes are rated by income. The rich people have the highest and the poor ones the lowest. I think the highest you can have is like 60% but wouldn't bet on it. I think it's fair and it should be applied to every country, especially to the "oil countries" where there are few filthy rich people and the rest of the population suffers from poverty.
    Yup, Scandinavia knows how to prepare for the future and be pragmatic. I suppose we shouldn't talk about Norway's sovereign wealth fund or that even though as an oil producing nation, gas in Norway is about $10 per gallon. Or that it's illegal to leave your car idling because it's a waste of gas. Things that would make most Americans scream just like the complaint about the Global Poverty bill. Something that many Scandinavian countries take an interest in because a less impoverished world is a safer world. Something that analysts in the CIA could tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    WTF? If we export things to China, yes, we pay an tariff to China, which has no increase on the US Treasury. Things that are imported into the US pay a tariff to the US. The US has a trade deficit because we have imported more than we have exported.

    You forget that those tariffs on imports are minimal. Walmart imports almost all of its stuff from China and other nations where items are manufactured cheaply, which is why they can always under cut their competitors. Walmart could not exist if there were large tariffs on imports.

    You misunderstand me.

    The country the US imports the most from is China. Here in the US, companies like mine, pay the US gov duty/tariffs on what we bring in. The goods are purchased in China, but the importer has to pay the duty. China does not pay that to the US. The importer does. I take possesion of my merchandise overseas, and then it is moved here by a steamship line or an freight airline.

    Most clothing, electronics, things you would but that are made in China are not being made for Chinese companies. They are being purchased by American companies like the Gap, Apple, The Limited, etc. These companies are the ones paying the duty/tariffs. Not the Chinese. I wish the Chinese did, it would save my company a fortune.


    And tariffs are not minimal, some classifications are 25% of the cost of the goods. So an item that cost me $20 in China will have a $5 duty, bringing my cost to $25.00.

    Walmart does pays tariffs on all merchandise they import themselves into the US. Which is most of their business. They may be evil, but the US Government always the money for duty.

    The only way Walmart doesn't pay on goods imported from China is when they purchase through American companies that manufacture in China-Walmart would then be buying merchandise LDP- which means landed, duty paid, where the goods would be in an American warehouse, and duty had been paid previously by the importing company.
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    Biden has said a couple of things in the last week or so that have made me think he might be somewhat of a liability in this campaign. This is one of them. I know what he means but you can't give the GOP soundbites that can be taken out of context like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    Biden has said a couple of things in the last week or so that have made me think he might be somewhat of a liability in this campaign. This is one of them. I know what he means but you can't give the GOP soundbites that can be taken out of context like that.
    Well there are some rumors going around that Biden will have sudden 'health problems' the first week in October, after the VP debate, and have to step aside, ushering in Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    Well there are some rumors going around that Biden will have sudden 'health problems' the first week in October, after the VP debate, and have to step aside, ushering in Hillary.
    Oh yeah, I bet. I'm sure Obama would love to have Hillary and Bill all up in his administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    You misunderstand me.

    The country the US imports the most from is China. Here in the US, companies like mine, pay the US gov duty/tariffs on what we bring in. The goods are purchased in China, but the importer has to pay the duty. China does not pay that to the US. The importer does. I take possesion of my merchandise overseas, and then it is moved here by a steamship line or an freight airline.

    Most clothing, electronics, things you would but that are made in China are not being made for Chinese companies. They are being purchased by American companies like the Gap, Apple, The Limited, etc. These companies are the ones paying the duty/tariffs. Not the Chinese. I wish the Chinese did, it would save my company a fortune.


    And tariffs are not minimal, some classifications are 25% of the cost of the goods. So an item that cost me $20 in China will have a $5 duty, bringing my cost to $25.00.

    Walmart does pays tariffs on all merchandise they import themselves into the US. Which is most of their business. They may be evil, but the US Government always the money for duty.

    The only way Walmart doesn't pay on goods imported from China is when they purchase through American companies that manufacture in China-Walmart would then be buying merchandise LDP- which means landed, duty paid, where the goods would be in an American warehouse, and duty had been paid previously by the importing company.
    I didn't misunderstand. My original point was that tariffs are not large enough to support the entire budget.

    And Walmart not having to pay because an American company outsourced it's manufacturing to China is a loophole. A loophole that allows Walmart to under cut American manufacturing and businesses. I doubt Walmart pays as much in tariffs as you state it does because most of Walmart's goods are made by American companies outsourced to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    Well there are some rumors going around that Biden will have sudden 'health problems' the first week in October, after the VP debate, and have to step aside, ushering in Hillary.
    Proof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    I didn't misunderstand. My original point was that tariffs are not large enough to support the entire budget.

    And Walmart not having to pay because an American company outsourced it's manufacturing to China is a loophole. A loophole that allows Walmart to under cut American manufacturing and businesses. I doubt Walmart pays as much in tariffs as you state it does because most of Walmart's goods are made by American companies outsourced to China.

    I'm not going to argue this back and forth.....this is what I do for a living- import clothing into the US and Canada-and have for almost 20 years. But I won't waste any more time on this.

    and you just like to argue...as you can clearly see in the TKDgirl post that you quote directly above where she said it was a RUMOR...and you're asking her for proof
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    I'm not going to argue this back and forth.....this is what I do for a living- import clothing into the US and Canada-and have for almost 20 years. But I won't waste any more time on this.

    and you just like to argue...as you can clearly see in the TKDgirl post that you quote directly above where she said it was a RUMOR...and you're asking her for proof
    I suppose I should have been more clear, a URL to that rumor on the web would have been nice instead of TKDgirl just saying that.

    By the way, there's rumors that Alaskans are beginning to hate Palin because of what she's brought to the state. But guess what, I can back it up.

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    fair tax needs be passed NOW

    everyone pays their fair share on their purchases
    everyone is in charge of their own money

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    Some people want it all. they don't want higher taxes, but they spend like drunken sailors on the war and wire-tapping. They want to drive thier SUV's but don't want to pay more for gas. Sorry folks, we all need to tighten our belts. We need to think of others besides only ourselves. After all, it's the "Christian" thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    Riiiight. Rob the rich to pay for programs that the government can further fuck up. Oh, and pay some lazy ass motherfuckers who'd rather get a welfare check than work.

    Way to really promote being successful... 'work for the American dream but we're going to take a bigger piece of your pie and give it someone who doesn't have any pie.' Yep, seems fair.

    As for the damn Global Poverty Act, the United States already is the most generous country in the world- because of PRIVATE donations. Its bad enough we give billions to Africa for AIDS and there's absolutely no accountability to see that the money actually goes for the prevention and treatment of the disease. Instead of giving away our hard earned money to foreigners, give it back to the people who earned it so they can use it as they see fit.
    I agree about the pie. We should give a piece of our pie to someone who doesn't have any. My mom makes great pies, I get lots of pie. My neighbors mom is too busy working two jobs to make any pie. I always share some of my pie with her. One again, it's the "Christian" thing to do. Even though I am an Atheist.
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    This isn't a socialist nation and that's just not going to work here. None of us would be happy here with the Danish system. This is the land of opportunity-all those people came her to get away from that crap and make something of themselves. The Brain Drain the Brits endured hurt them and helped us. 250 thousand is starting too low, IMO. Those people don't live in mansions-not even here where housing is still a great deal. I think it is outrageous to punish bright, hard working people so some stupid twit can produce more children than she can ever hope to afford. Or some fundamentalist can impregnate all 9 wives repeatedly,secure in the knowledge the State will support every damn one for his lazy ass. There are fake churches not paying a dime and getting away with murder. You could proclaim yourself a minister & start raking in money tax free,no matter how you use it. I know-slippery slope,religious freedom, but leave the REAL churches alone and tax the 700 club sorts. And get a grip on what we spend-like the Pentagon paying millions to some 21 year old with a PO box in Florida.Stuff like that FIRST then if you have to,raise taxes. Make a law no Corporation and NO millioniare gets off tax free,no matter what. Don't let anyone with an income of 200 or 300 thou get Social Security-they don't need it. Start with the basics first.Take the old tax off gasoline. Use the money you have wisely. Outlaw lobbiests and tacking on grave train nonsense to a bill that helps children. There is a lot to be done before adding tax-just tax everyone! This is a very rich country that could be a lot richer without raising taxes-just getting them from everyone!
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