Hillary Clinton has LOST even if Michigan and Florida votes were counted. It's over. - Page 3

mintjelly · May 8th, 2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurent

Honestly, I'll be shocked if McCain isn't the next president.

I won't be. Why the hell would Faux News and the Rush Limbaugh morons be singing her praises if they didn't want her to be the nominee? They know how polarizing she is and that it would be easier for McTemper to run against her in the General.

sparkly · May 8th, 2008, 01:30 AM

If she's just continuing this race to push her own agenda when she knows she can't win, then I will forever hate her. I would hope that she's above pulling a stunt like that for personal gain, especially when our country has so much on the line right now. Seriously, maybe we should all move.

snuffy · May 8th, 2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mintjelly

They know how polarizing she is and that it would be easier for McTemper to run against her in the General.

The Republicans would have rather run against Hilary, they know her. Its hard to attack Obama because he's so green and nothing seems to stick to him ... McCain better a get a VP right out of the crib.

This should be a good race.

Beeyotch · May 8th, 2008, 01:55 AM

Wait, what was the deal with Michigan and Florida votes, why were they her phony victories?

Folieadeux · May 8th, 2008, 02:49 AM

I just have to say that I have a love affair with American Politics now.

Didn't know a darn thing until last year. But now I'm glued to it. Probably following it more than I did the Australian election.

snuffy · May 8th, 2008, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeyotch

Wait, what was the deal with Michigan and Florida votes, why were they her phony victories?

Those 2 states moved their primaries up from their original dates against party rules, so the DNC stripped them of their delegates. The candidates all agreed to follow DNC rules and none of them campaigned in either state, Obama even took his name off the Michigan ballot. Clinton went on to win both states, and of course, now wants them to count. She basically won both uncontested.

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Originally Posted by CCkissesx

I just have to say that I have a love affair with American Politics now.

Wait until it gets to the supreme court!

january · May 8th, 2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by snuffy

Those 2 states moved their primaries up from their original dates against party rules, so the DNC stripped them of their delegates. The candidates all agreed to follow DNC rules and none of them campaigned in either state, Obama even took his name off the Michigan ballot. Clinton went on to win both states, and of course, now wants them to count. She basically won both uncontested.

Yeah, Clinton agreed to those rules originally. I thought it was strange at the time that she still left her name on the ballot. So yes, she "won" in states where the DNC already said the votes didn't count. I almost think she anticipated that she could make a case later for Michigan and Florida - its so sleazy. Like the people were saying on CNN the other night, its like playing a whole game, and at the end when you're losing, you say "wait a second, I don't like these agreed rules anymore...lets change the rules" only so you can maybe have a potential chance to win (although the number crunchers were saying she STILL couldn't win, even if they did count). What a sore loser, just accept defeat gracefully and move on, don't keep damaging your party for your own pride.

What is Hillary to say to the superdelegates now? She was hoping that she could prove she is ultimately more electable than Obama - wrong. North Carolina was called in Obama's favor due to exit polls right off the bat. Like I said, Obama's won the popular vote, the most states, and the most delegates. Like someone on CNN joked "maybe she can make a case that she wins more in states with a certain amount of vowels?" To prove she's more electable, she actually needed to win when it counted. And she didn't. Case closed. Its surprising to me when people think she's actually more electable when these primaries have said the opposite. If the superdelegates don't commit to Obama now, I'm going to think something really fishy is going on, since they should side with the will of the people. What I worry about most is that she's going to damage Obama so much while McCain is still garnering people to his side uncontested. I don't see why Howard Dean isn't pressuring her to drop out quickly. Even the most hardcore Hillary fanatics have been saying, "okay, now we need to unify the party, its time to move on."

snuffy · May 8th, 2008, 06:42 AM

Dirty little secret of the DNC is they need the Clintons so no one wants to piss them off too much ... its why she has gotten so much latitude to continue for so long.

Bill and Hill bring in major bucks and can get out the vote in Nov. so no one wants to completely alienate them (him esp.).

She'll lay off attacking Obama until she wins W.V. on 5/20 and will exit on a high note, then try to force her way onto the ticket.

Sasha · May 8th, 2008, 09:04 AM

january, I don't know why Howard Dean isn't pressuring her either. It's bizarre that he let's this go on.

snuffy, the dirty little secret of the Clinton's is they are DLC, more than they are DNC. DLC is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party, and they aren't going to give up easily.

louiswinthorpe111 · May 8th, 2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mintjelly

I won't be. Why the hell would Faux News and the Rush Limbaugh morons be singing her praises if they didn't want her to be the nominee? They know how polarizing she is and that it would be easier for McTemper to run against her in the General.

See, I know several registered Republicans, that all voted for Bush the past 8 years, that absolutely will not vote McCain because the Repubs have screwed the economy up royally. They are going for Obama before Hillary.

snuffy · May 8th, 2008, 08:56 PM

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snuffy, the dirty little secret of the Clinton's is they are DLC, more than they are DNC. DLC is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party, and they aren't going to give up easily.

True.

nycgirl · May 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM

And likewise, it's over for Obama in a general election. Unfortunately he will not win and we will likely be dealing with President McCain for the next 8 years. A high percentage of Hillary Clinton supporters polled have said they will vote for McCain in a general election if Obama gets the nomination. The same goes for Obama supporters if Clinton somehow gets the nomination. The nonstop bickering between them for months has probably hurt the party a great deal.

And by the way, Obama ran ads in Florida before their primary, so people need to stop acting like he's so "above" it and Clinton is the only one playing dirty. He's not a saint.

witchcurlgirl · May 9th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Add the dirty little secret, that lots of Americans will not vote for a black man.

People won't admit it to pollsters, or pundits. But it's true.

It's not how I feel, but it's out there. If you think racism doesn't play a part in America than you clearly don't get newspapers or watch TV.

Just in the last week we've had a new case of cops beating black men in Philadelphia.