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    Quote Originally Posted by Quazar View Post
    They already do - it's called Medicare. Just lower the age and take the money we're already paying to insurance companies to fund it.
    Very true. Some doctors prefer Medicare patients to private insurance patients because it's easier to deal with Medicare. It's also one of the most efficient healthcare delivery systems in the country.

    The Health Care Blog: POLICY: Why Medicare is More Efficient Than Private Insurers By Maggie Mahar

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    Quote Originally Posted by tee-ha-ha View Post
    Very true. Some doctors prefer Medicare patients to private insurance patients because it's easier to deal with Medicare. It's also one of the most efficient healthcare delivery systems in the country.

    The Health Care Blog: POLICY: Why Medicare is More Efficient Than Private Insurers By Maggie Mahar
    I'm not that knowledgable about how the Medicare system works but I do know that those who can afford to do so, pay for supplemental insurance to take care of everything that Medicare excludes. The elderly that have to rely soley on Medicare are not getting the best care and do not get all of the medications they need in many cases. A family friend is a Physician at Baylor Medical, one of the best hospital organizations in Texas. It would be an interesting conversation to have with him~
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    They run it right now. They are the ones that decide that drug companies can charge out the ass, advertise on TV, and basically market drugs to future addicts all in the name of making money.

    They allow insurance company's to pilfer people's pockets and deny you at every turn. They decide birth control pills aren't covered by insurance.

    The list goes on. The governments hand is in it right now.

    They either need to buck up and make a system where we can all play equally or they need to put some serious brakes on things such as profitting off sickness.

    There are things right now that are escalating healthcare costs for everyone of us. And the people making money off it are rubbing their hands together.

    I picture the Kraft the makers of Velveeta and numerous other delights sitting in a room with a bunch of insurance peeps, and gastrointestinal specialists saying, "Look we have this new Twinkie, see we impregnate it with cholestyrol and hyrdrogenated everything and it's gauranteed to make you gain 3lbs per snack cake, and all we are asking is a little cut each time you get a gastric bypass surgery covered. It's win win for us all, money in the bank!"

    Same with smoking, there are all these highly preventable things that they treat as diseases that get covered by insurance. I think it's a crime to pay to have someone's gut cut because they can't stop eating, yet someone can be born with something completely beyond there control and it isn't covered. That's me. Denied health insurance because I'm labled high risk because I have a mental illness and I've never been hospitalized, OD'ed, called 911 for a faux suicide attempt none of it. I got spanked with a diagnosis and know I'm fucked.

    But fatty Mcchain smoker is living the high life treating his body like shit and getting seen by the finest physicians money can buy.

    I just don't get it. We all get sick. We all eventually need to go to a doctor.

    Right now people are banking on making us fat and lazy and impotent so they can sell us these outrageously priced drugs.

    It's like on the one hand the insurance companies are milking people left and right yet denying coverage and on the other hand you have the other side where the abusers are milking the insurance companies for every splinter they get.

    And the government sits ideally by crying "free market!" Yeah it's a fabulous healthcare system we got going on. If you don't think the government is totally involved right now you are smoking some serious crack.

    Maybe I should get me some diabeetus and get real super cow like fat so my husband will leave me and I can qualify for some aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayfulKisses View Post
    I'm not that knowledgable about how the Medicare system works but I do know that those who can afford to do so, pay for supplemental insurance to take care of everything that Medicare excludes. The elderly that have to rely soley on Medicare are not getting the best care and do not get all of the medications they need in many cases. A family friend is a Physician at Baylor Medical, one of the best hospital organizations in Texas. It would be an interesting conversation to have with him~
    I didn't say Medicare was the best...only that it's efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tee-ha-ha View Post
    I didn't say Medicare was the best...only that it's efficient.
    Now if we could only merge the two...Medicare and the best, we'd have a winner. Everyone knows what it needs to be but no one can agree on how to get there~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    He pisses me off. Fuck you oatmeal man. Bet he doesn't even eat it. He is going to break that horse he rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayfulKisses View Post
    Now if we could only merge the two...Medicare and the best, we'd have a winner. Everyone knows what it needs to be but no one can agree on how to get there~
    I know. Looking at some of the systems in Europe and Canada, I don't think they'd be a good fit for us but we can take the good elements of them and leave out the bad to build a template for our system. Eventually the healthcare crisis will come to a head and will threaten this country's continued prosperity. I think it is only at that point that something will be done. Until then we'll limp along as we are. I'm lucky, I have fantastic coverage; but I know it could disappear in an instant if I lost my job, changed jobs, or if my employer fell on hard times. On the other hand it isn't as if everything my insurance covers would even be available in France, Germany, or the UK. Going back to the first hand, though, we're all working with finite resources when it comes to health care and it makes me sick that a lot of my healthcare dollar is spent on administrative bullshit and advertising. And dividend payouts. And golden parachutes. What kind of bullshit is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    .....They either need to buck up and make a system where we can all play equally or they need to put some serious brakes on things such as profitting off sickness.....

    ....yet someone can be born with something completely beyond there control and it isn't covered. That's me. Denied health insurance because I'm labled high risk because I have a mental illness and I've never been hospitalized, OD'ed, called 911 for a faux suicide attempt none of it. I got spanked with a diagnosis and know I'm fucked....

    I just don't get it. We all get sick. We all eventually need to go to a doctor.
    Apologies for the edit. It's not that I don't agree with the rest but I wanted to address the above specifically.

    The type of situation you and many others face need to be addressed separately and independently of universal health care. In my opinion, this should be addressed under disability insurance...not the type offered by employers to cover wages during disability but a health insurance plan. This should be provided by our government through the use of taxes already collected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quazar View Post
    They already do - it's called Medicare. Just lower the age and take the money we're already paying to insurance companies to fund it.
    And you trust the government to do that? Wow. They can't even get medicare right, let alone social security and the education department. If you think health care is bad now, just wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    And you trust the government to do that? Wow. They can't even get medicare right, let alone social security and the education department. If you think health care is bad now, just wait.
    Health care is already really bad for those who can't afford or get coverage. At least a Medicare-like plan could give some basic coverage to all our citizens. And the government doesn't have to answer to stockholders the way insurance companies do where financial performance will always take priority. When this is the case, things will never be done in the best interest of the patient.

    Although the government does screw up many things, it has been shown to do some things fairly well. The public schools in my area are very good, our police/fire/EMT depts are always responsive, and I get mail delivery every day.

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    But the government answers to no one. Not even the American people anymore (and haven't for a long time). The decision for health care should be left up to me as a citizen. In fact, more and more corporations are allowing workers to opt out of health care coverage if they choose to do so. The government will do what's in the best interest of the government, not you. And how will the gov't pay for it? Taxes, taxes, and more taxes. If health care in this country is to improve, the government has to allow MORE competition at the insurance provider level. More competition breeds better quality, prices and care. I don't trust the government to do whats in my best interest. I trust myself and the choices I make. And putting trust in the US government to manage health care is a death sentence for all of us. FWIW, I pay more in property taxes each year than I do health care insurance and meds. And I'm a middle class worker in a modest home.

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    tkdgirl, From what I understand, Medicare is a rather good system and I've never heard any complaints about SS (other than not enough $$$). I don't understand why you would rather entrust the insurance companies who are more beholden to their profits then to your health care. You're a Libertarian, aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    If health care in this country is to improve, the government has to allow MORE competition at the insurance provider level. More competition breeds better quality, prices and care.
    No way increased competition will solve anything in this situation.

    There's hardly a health insurance monopoly. There are already a lot of insurance providers out there "competing" for your premiums as long as you are healthy. I found 12 with a quick google search. There are seven health insurance providers in my state alone. These companies aren't climbing all over each other to insure you if you have an already diagnosed cancer or mental illness. It puts a dent in their real estate portfolios and money coffers.

    People/Small Businesses take what coverage they can get and only if they can afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
    Agreed. From what I've read, universal health care in Canada is hardly perfect and involves super long wait times for surgeries and such. I am not Canadian and might be reading disinformation pieces from the U.S. Healthcare lobbies.
    It's not perfect but I wouldn't trade it for what's available in the US. Wait times are dependent on necessity - if it's an elective surgery (non-life threatening) there's usually a wait time. If it's life or death you're taken care of.

    The biggest problem with Canadian healthcare is lack of doctors. We train them then they choose to head south for the bigger bucks. Can't blame them but can point fingers at our government for not coming up with a solution to a long ongoing issue. Some politicians seem to think that HMO's are the way to go - and it is for those more interested in lining their own pockets rather than ensuring all citizens receive equal healthcare.

    I think healthcare should be free and I don't mind paying higher taxes to keep it that way. For those who can afford it there is always the option of private healthcare, just because you pay into universal healthcare doesn't mean you have to use it. It just means it will be there when you need it. Fortunes can change in an instant, so even if you don't need it now you may be grateful for it later.

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