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    I am black. My grandmothers lived to their 80s, My grandfathers were heavy drinkers and died in their early 70s. I dont generally trust doctors. My point is that If I feel that something doesnt agree with my belief system I should be able to opt out. Be it religion, health care. Not all progarams are mutually exclusive. Not all programs are going to benefit everyone. I guess that is why I am not a socialist.
    I totally feel you, I think you should be able to opt out. I agree.

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    [quote=snpage2001;1031005]
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    I am black. My grandmothers lived to their 80s, My grandfathers were heavy drinkers and died in their early 70s. I dont generally trust doctors. My point is that If I feel that something doesnt agree with my belief system I should be able to opt out. Be it religion, health care. Not all progarams are mutually exclusive. Not all programs are going to benefit everyone. I guess that is why I am not a socialist.
    I don't trust the medical system in this country either. Too quick to treat the symptoms (with drugs of questionable safety) v. the underlying cause of conditions. However, accidents happen and sometimes urgent medical care is needed. Do you really want to deal with a $30,000 plus medical bill without insurance if you got into a bad car accident and needed emergency care/surgery? Health insurance should not be a luxury. It's a necessity for all of us in my opinion

    However, this is **supposedly** still a free country so you should be able to opt out if you don't agree with the system.

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    I think it's funny that someone thinks they can predict which programs and services they might need in the future. I'd laugh so hard if the ones they needed later were the ones they "opted out" of earlier, and could not afford the ridiculous sums private care would cost.
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    I don't equate being a socialist with believing that taxes should go to the COMMON good. I don't have children, but I have no problem paying taxes so that other people's kids can get an education. That is just one example among many. The idea that we should only pay for things that benefit us directly has never been a workable approach to any kind of civil society.

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    but to do otherwise is communist pinko socialism, which by definition is EVIL
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    Quote Originally Posted by snpage2001 View Post
    True, but why should we have to pay for someone elses health care? kind of like why do we have to pay for someone elses retirement. So I guess it makes sense.
    You're already paying for it through high insurance premiums, taxes, and the higher cost of goods manufactured in the US.

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    My question is what if I don't want to use it? In most cases I prefer traditional Chinese medicine. Why should I pay in to a system that I don't want to use? And like others said, why should I pay for someone else's health care? I'd rather pay less taxes and be able to choose where I get my healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    I don't equate being a socialist with believing that taxes should go to the COMMON good. I don't have children, but I have no problem paying taxes so that other people's kids can get an education. That is just one example among many. The idea that we should only pay for things that benefit us directly has never been a workable approach to any kind of civil society.
    Agree completely and for most of the programs in the US, they are funded exactly that way. I have been paying real estate taxes on my home for both schools and hospitals for the past 17 yrs although I have no children and have never been hospitalized...roughly $85,000. That equates to over $400 monthly and is in addition to the amount we all contribute through Federal payroll deductions and sales tax on everything we purchase. If we were responsible for paying taxes on only those services we utilize, the majority of the US would not be able to drive down the road because they couldn't afford the upkeep~
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    I always think the word "garnish" is incorrect. Garnish is generally a legal term used to describe monies taken off someone's paycheque when they've been ordered to pay by a court. Generally, taxes are deducted from paycheques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacific breeze View Post
    I always think the word "garnish" is incorrect. Garnish is generally a legal term used to describe monies taken off someone's paycheque when they've been ordered to pay by a court. Generally, taxes are deducted from paycheques.
    I think "garnish" is somewhat appropriate here, as the article is talking about taking money from peoples' paychecks who refuse to buy health insurance. To me that's more of a "garnish" than a "tax".

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    So we want the US government, the same government that runs social security and our education system, to now manage health care? We're doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    So we want the US government, the same government that runs social security and our education system, to now manage health care? We're doomed.
    Scarey, isn't it? I don't know what the solution to the health care crisis is. While I don't think it should be managed care through the government, something is going to have to be done to control costs. The middle-class that supports this country is slowly crumbling due to high taxation. Placing Hillary Clinton in the White House is only going to increase that taxation~
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    Who else would run it? The insurance companies running it now are only interested in profit, while many millions of Americans have no insurances at all. The government is already indirectly involved with the insurance companies, but the insurance lobby rules the day. The middle class is not crumbling just because of high taxation -- Americans have some of the lowest income tax in the world compared to other industrialized countries. What's eroding the middle class is the greed of successive Republican governments who start stupid wars, constantly give huge tax breaks to the rich, and who either ignore or gut domestic policy until it is in a state of crisis. Their fearmongering, helped along by the insurance companies, is one of the real problems and obstacles facing the inevitable move toward universal health care in the U.S. It's the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have it, and contrary to scare tactics, America actually spends MORE on health care per capita than Canadians do. It's just going in all the wrong places, like the insurance companies' greedy deep pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    So we want the US government, the same government that runs social security and our education system, to now manage health care? We're doomed.
    They already do - it's called Medicare. Just lower the age and take the money we're already paying to insurance companies to fund it.

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    ^^Good point.

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