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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    Dubbed by who? Congress? The President himself? Historians??? No, the media. Those are awfully big umbrellas to cover a number of different ideas and concepts which, though related, are defined differently?
    They are named as such for easy reference on a president's foreign policy action while in office. I don't know why you're making such a fuss over this. Presidential doctrines, or "doctrines" for you, have been fairly common the past 50 years. They weren't created just yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    I bet you, if Gibson asked that same question to Mccain, Obama, Biden and half the members of Congress, every single one of them would give a completely different definition.
    Probably not. The Bush Doctrine is well understood overseas. Did you not read the thread where Israeli cabdrivers know more about the Bush Doctrine than Sarah Palin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    They are named as such for easy reference on a president's foreign policy action while in office. I don't know why you're making such a fuss over this. Presidential doctrines, or "doctrines" for you, have been fairly common the past 50 years. They weren't created just yesterday.


    Probably not. The Bush Doctrine is well understood overseas. Did you not read the thread where Israeli cabdrivers know more about the Bush Doctrine than Sarah Palin?

    So if probably not, then don't Isareli cab drivers know more than Obama, McCain, Biden and Congress? And even, *gasp* Charlie Gibson?

    Love me some Israeli cab drivers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    Because she was going to be a speaker, he was not. That is not equal voice and thereby violates the non profit.

    I am a Girl Scout Leader. Several years back when my Troop was going into 3rd grade we had a bell ringing cermemony on the 4th of July at a local Catholic Church. They invited the scouts to "ring the bell". We had a race going for Governor at the time. Ed Rendell was running but he was invited to speack as the current Mayor of Philly. He was delivering a short speech about the freedom, etc. The Republicans then demanded that their candidate also be invited. The church agreed. The ground rules were that Rendell would speak as the Mayor but there would no campaigning. He could not mention anything at all about his campaign. The other side turned up handing out campaign literature and brought a boat load of Anti-Choice protestors. As our girls were trying to "ring the bell" they held poster size pictures of aborted fetuses behind our young girls heads. They turned it into a campaign rally and the priests in charge had to ask them to leave.
    That is absolutely disgusting. I would be extremely pissed if my Boy Scout sons were at an event and people were whipping out pictures of that shit. They don't EVEN know what that means at their age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwgirl View Post
    Well...in all fairness, if the piddly-ass decisions that she's been consulted on as Commander in Chief of the National Guard equals her having experience "commanding armed forces" then Obama attending even one meeting on any of these committees should count as foreign policy experience on his resume too, right? If we're going to be lax in our standards for her, we should at least give Obama the same courtesy. By the standards we've rated her experience, he looks like a fricking foregin policy genius.

    And according to Biden, the reason no meetings have been convened on the subcommittee level is because meetings dealing with European Affairs have been held at full committee level.
    In fairness as i said, this doesn't add to her abilities...but it doesn't add to his either....

    Of course Biden defended Obama for not holding meetings...he was on the VP short list at the time...This is politics....

    But before he defended him for it he attacked Obama on this, calling him a 'Johnny come lately'

    When Biden was on the European subcommittee there were plenty of meetings...It's how Biden was able to make a name for himself as an International expert. 20 years of serving on these committees, except Biden showed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    So if probably not, then don't Isareli cab drivers know more than Obama, McCain, Biden and Congress? And even, *gasp* Charlie Gibson?

    Love me some Israeli cab drivers!
    Clearly you didn't read the article.

    Here's some quotes from it for you:
    The question about the Bush Doctrine was not a trick. It was not a trivial point designed to make Sarah Palin look bad. It is the summary of a worldview that has guided American foreign and military policy for the seven years since September 11, 2001. It is America's formal explanation for sending Americans into harm's way. It is America's explanation to the world for what America has done.

    Even my Israeli cab driver, a non-American through and through, knew more about the Bush Doctrine than Sarah Palin. And that is cause for serious concern.

    The cabbie knew, for example, that the doctrine provided for anticipatory self-defense, and pre-emptive strikes to forestall hostile acts even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack.

    "This would never have happened in Israel, ever" remarked a journalist friend, referring to the choice of Governor Palin, whose credentials in the realms of foreign policy, statecraft and the military are limited in the extreme.

    With irony bordering on the painful, the journalist added, "Sarah Palin has restored my faith in Israel."

    Israel is far from a model of good government, wise policymaking and exemplary leaders. But here, at least, voters and the politicians they make it their business to know inside and out, relate to politics not as if it were a spectacular bowl game or a reality show.but for what politics really is, in America and Israel both: a matter of life and death.
    George Bush, who spoke incessantly about leadership before his election, has had more than seven years to prove himself a leader, and managed to prove conclusively only that he was not.

    This is what is truly frightening about Sarah Palin. There is something in the smugness, the faith-based rigidity, the dismissiveness, that suggests that once again, we may have a national leader who knows better how to divide than to rule.

    True, for millions of people, Sarah Palin has lanced a cultural boil.
    They feel anger, betrayal, and a profound alienation from the basic institutions of American life. The American dream is receding from them. She has given voice to the ache in their hearts, and, as such, has lifted their spirits.

    Sarah Palin has given a voice to people who, even with an ostensibly fundamentalist Republican president in the White House, feel disenfranchised. It is not their Supreme Court, not their Congress. She has done a service for people unhappy with the America that they see. But that does not qualify her to be president.

    Governor Palin has suggested that the special interests and superfluous bureaucrats are scared of her and the reforms she and John McCain intend to undertake. One hopes she's right. But what is certainly scary about Sarah Palin is how little that voters know about her, and in particular, how much she herself recognizes that she needs to learn.

    Asked during the interview if she had the ability and the experience to serve as president of the United States, she replied without hesitation, without reservation, without contemplation - and without knowing, on a profound level, what that would, in fact, entail. "I'm ready."

    Here is the answer that is truly frightening. It lets us know that the nation may be in danger of electing another leader bearing the most profound of George Bush's shortcomings: blindness to one's own shortcomings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    You're glossing over a LOT of Presidential Doctrines from the past century by saying that. Here's a cheat sheet for ya:
    Eisenhower Doctrine
    Reagan Doctrine
    Nixon Doctrine
    Carter Doctrine
    Kennedy Doctrine
    Johnson Doctrine
    Clinton Doctrine
    Truman Doctrine

    By the way, US Presidential doctrines are US goals, actions, attitudes, etc., for US foreign policy. They are "dubbed" doctrines.
    Owned!

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    Here's the transcript that Palin would have presented.

    The speech Palin never gave: Ahmadinejad dreams of Final Solution
    By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz Correspondent

    In the speech which Republican Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin was to have delivered at a Monday rally protesting the UN appearance of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, she was to have said that the Iranian president "dreams of being an agent in a 'Final Solution' - the elimination of the Jewish people."

    Her appearance in the rally in Dag Hammarskjold Plaza was cancelled in a flap between protest organizers and Hillary Clinton, who had also been scheduled to speak. Clinton aides were quoted as saying that they had been "blindsided" by the decision to invite Palin, which they called a partisan move. In the ensuing controversy, Clinton withdrew her participation, and Palin's invitation was rescinded.

    The text of the speech follows:



    I am honored to be with you and with leaders from across this great country - leaders from different faiths and political parties united in a single voice of outrage.

    Tomorrow, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will come to New York - to the heart of what he calls the Great Satan - and speak freely in this, a country whose demise he has called for.

    Ahmadinejad may choose his words carefully, but underneath all of the rhetoric is an agenda that threatens all who seek a safer and freer world. We gather here today to highlight the Iranian dictator's intentions and to call for action to thwart him.
    He must be stopped.

    The world must awake to the threat this man poses to all of us. Ahmadinejad denies that the Holocaust ever took place. He dreams of being an agent in a "Final Solution" - the elimination of the Jewish people. He has called Israel a "stinking corpse" that is "on its way to annihilation."

    Such talk cannot be dismissed as the ravings of a madman -not when Iran just this summer tested long-range Shahab-3 missiles capable of striking Tel Aviv, not when the Iranian nuclear program is nearing completion, and not when Iran sponsors terrorists that threaten and kill innocent people around the world.

    The Iranian government wants nuclear weapons. The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that Iran is running at least 3,800 centrifuges and that its uranium enrichment capacity is rapidly improving. According to news reports, U.S. intelligence agencies believe the Iranians may have enough nuclear material to produce a bomb within a year.

    The world has condemned these activities. The United Nations Security Council has demanded that Iran suspend its illegal nuclear enrichment activities. It has levied three rounds of sanctions. How has Ahmadinejad responded? With the declaration that the "Iranian nation would not retreat one iota" from its nuclear program.

    So, what should we do about this growing threat? First, we must succeed in Iraq. If we fail there, it will jeopardize the democracy the Iraqis have worked so hard to build, and empower the extremists in neighboring Iran. Iran has armed and trained terrorists who have killed our soldiers in Iraq, and it is Iran that would benefit from an American defeat in Iraq.

    If we retreat without leaving a stable Iraq, Iran's nuclear ambitions will be bolstered. If Iran acquires nuclear weapons ? they could share them tomorrow with the terrorists they finance, arm, and train today. Iranian nuclear weapons would set off a dangerous regional nuclear arms race that would make all of us less safe.

    But Iran is not only a regional threat; it threatens the entire world. It is the no. 1 state sponsor of terrorism. It sponsors the world's most vicious terrorist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah. Together, Iran and its terrorists are responsible for the deaths of Americans in Lebanon in the 1980s, in Saudi Arabia in the 1990s, and in Iraq today. They have murdered Iraqis, Lebanese, Palestinians, and other Muslims who have resisted Iran's desire to dominate the region. They have persecuted countless people simply because they are Jewish.

    Iran is responsible for attacks not only on Israelis, but on Jews living as far away as Argentina. Anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial are part of Iran's official ideology and murder is part of its official policy. Not even Iranian citizens are safe from their government's threat to those who want to live, work, and worship in peace. Politically-motivated abductions, torture, death by stoning, flogging, and amputations are just some of its state-sanctioned punishments.

    It is said that the measure of a country is the treatment of its most vulnerable citizens. By that standard, the Iranian government is both oppressive and barbaric. Under Ahmadinejad's rule, Iranian women are some of the most vulnerable citizens.

    If an Iranian woman shows too much hair in public, she risks being beaten or killed. If she walks down a public street in clothing that violates the state dress code, she could be arrested.

    But in the face of this harsh regime, the Iranian women have shown courage. Despite threats to their lives and their families, Iranian women have sought better treatment through the "One Million Signatures Campaign Demanding Changes to Discriminatory Laws." The authorities have reacted with predictable barbarism. Last year, women's rights activist Delaram Ali was sentenced to 20 lashes and 10 months in prison for committing the crime of "propaganda against the system." After international protests, the judiciary reduced her sentence to "only" 10 lashes and 36 months in prison and then temporarily suspended her sentence. She still faces the threat of imprisonment.

    Earlier this year, Senator Clinton said that "Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is in the forefront of that" effort. Senator Clinton argued that part of our response must include stronger sanctions, including the designation of the IRGC as a terrorist organization. John McCain and I could not agree more.

    Senator Clinton understands the nature of this threat and what we must do to confront it. This is an issue that should unite all Americans. Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Period. And in a single voice, we must be loud enough for the whole world to hear: Stop Iran!
    Only by working together, across national, religious, and political differences, can we alter this regime's dangerous behavior. Iran has many vulnerabilities, including a regime weakened by sanctions and a population eager to embrace opportunities with the West. We must increase economic pressure to change Iran's behavior.

    Tomorrow, Ahmadinejad will come to New York. On our soil, he will exercise the right of freedom of speech - a right he denies his own people. He will share his hateful agenda with the world. Our task is to focus the world on what can be done to stop him.

    We must rally the world to press for truly tough sanctions at the U.N. or with our allies if Iran's allies continue to block action in the U.N. We must start with restrictions on Iran's refined petroleum imports. We must reduce our dependency on foreign oil to weaken Iran's economic influence.
    We must target the regime's assets abroad; bank accounts, investments, and trading partners.

    President Ahmadinejad should be held accountable for inciting genocide, a crime under international law.

    We must sanction Iran's Central Bank and the Revolutionary Guard Corps -which no one should doubt is a terrorist organization. Together, we can stop Iran's nuclear program.

    Senator McCain has made a solemn commitment that I strongly endorse: Never again will we risk another Holocaust. And this is not a wish, a request, or a plea to Israel's enemies. This is a promise that the United States and Israel will honor, against any enemy who cares to test us. It is John McCain's promise and it is my promise.

    Thank you.



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    President Ahmadinejad should be held accountable for inciting genocide, a crime under international law.
    Since when does the US under the Bush doctrine give a flying fuck about international law?
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

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    President Ahmadinejad should be held accountable for inciting genocide, a crime under international law.
    What about the Ayatollahs? They're the ones that really control things.

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