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    The only pharase in your entire post that matters is this one "single-payer insurance.". That IS Socialized Medicine with rates & services dictated by government.

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    I mean the argument is so damned stupid. I had a non emergency health issue a month back.. i had a sinus/chest infection.

    Did i have to go to a specifically mandated doctor, who then referred me to a specialist, who then told me i needed a second opinion before i got any treatment?

    Don't be fucking stupid.

    I went into a WALK IN CLINIC, got examined, got a prescrip that was filled RIGHT THERE, which was covered by my employee plan (out of pocket cost, 2 bucks dispensing fee for 200 bucks worth of antibiotics) and that was it.

    took me 20 minutes. The most i had to wait was in the waiting room cuz it was full of sniffly people like me.
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    And it's FANTASTIC!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauvee View Post
    The only pharase in your entire post that matters is this one "single-payer insurance.". That IS Socialized Medicine with rates & services dictated by government.
    After a fashion, but no government entity tells you what doctor to see or whether you deserve/can have treatment.

    Also, out costs are vastly lower than yours. A heart attack up here does not bankrupt people.

    What is this singleminded obsession that anything "socialist" is somehow inferior? For profit medical care, the insurance, HMO's and everything else are bankrupting people left and right in the US. 1 out of 3 working americans has no health insurance for gods sake, and those that do get rates that are astronomically high for services that were frozen in time somewhere in the late 90's. Costs go up, but the coverage DOESNT.

    Your costs are out of control and your care is no better for it.
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    Scandinavian relative had a friggin heart transplant, and must take about a garbage bag's worth of medication every month to stay alive.

    Cost to them: ZERO.

    If you'd rather be dead than "socialist," be my guest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    After a fashion, but no government entity tells you what doctor to see or whether you deserve/can have treatment.

    Also, out costs are vastly lower than yours. A heart attack up here does not bankrupt people.

    What is this singleminded obsession that anything "socialist" is somehow inferior? For profit medical care, the insurance, HMO's and everything else are bankrupting people left and right in the US. 1 out of 3 working americans has no health insurance for gods sake, and those that do get rates that are astronomically high for services that were frozen in time somewhere in the late 90's. Costs go up, but the coverage DOESNT.

    Your costs are out of control and your care is no better for it.
    Grimmlok - would you please tell the fine people reading this thread the average wait time in Canada for a hip replacement for a patient between the ages of 50 and 75.

    eta - nevermind, I'm not going to play games. In Canada the wait times for hip replacement surgery for a patient between 50 and 75 is 13 to 18 months. In America for a patient with Health Insurance the wait time is usually as soon as the patient is healthy enough to have the surgery - usually within 2 weeks of the decision to have the procedure. In the US emergency hip replacements are done same day. In Canada patients who require emergency hip replacement surgeries are often sent to the US.

    Facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I mean the argument is so damned stupid. I had a non emergency health issue a month back.. i had a sinus/chest infection.

    Did i have to go to a specifically mandated doctor, who then referred me to a specialist, who then told me i needed a second opinion before i got any treatment?

    Don't be fucking stupid.

    I went into a WALK IN CLINIC, got examined, got a prescrip that was filled RIGHT THERE, which was covered by my employee plan (out of pocket cost, 2 bucks dispensing fee for 200 bucks worth of antibiotics) and that was it.

    took me 20 minutes. The most i had to wait was in the waiting room cuz it was full of sniffly people like me.
    must be nice
    i have insurance but can't afford to go to the doctors anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauvee View Post
    Grimmlok - would you please tell the fine people reading this thread the average wait time in Canada for a hip replacement for a patient between the ages of 50 and 75.
    A benchmark of 182 days has been set down by Health Canada as a reasonable length of time a patient in Canada should wait for total hip replacement surgery.

    I do like how you picked out a non-emergency issue that has historically been one of the few that takes the longest... ten years ago.

    Way to play the odds

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    must be nice
    i have insurance but can't afford to go to the doctors anymore.
    it is nice. the fact that you can't do it is appalling and ridiculous, but that's what happens when for-profit health care is the norm.
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    Is the disparity of care here that's the real problem.

    Some insurance plans are fine, some are horror shows. And for most people there is no choice, you have to go with what you can get through work.

    Some plans cover everything, you can see any doctors, specialists. Some make people go through hoops, don't cover things, make people get referals....red tape city.

    The system could be fixed in many ways, national health, or more control over insurance companies, do something about HMO's.

    When I was younger, before the era of HMO's, most people did have good medical insurance.....and poor people were covered through medicaid. The old system was way better. There has been disintegration, not progress. And it was a for profit system then, it can be workable. It isn't now, but it can be. Was for years.

    There are no perfect health systems, but ours isn't even close.
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    Let's overthrow the HMO's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauvee View Post
    Grimmlok - would you please tell the fine people reading this thread the average wait time in Canada for a hip replacement for a patient between the ages of 50 and 75.

    eta - nevermind, I'm not going to play games. In Canada the wait times for hip replacement surgery for a patient between 50 and 75 is 13 to 18 months. In America for a patient with Health Insurance the wait time is usually as soon as the patient is healthy enough to have the surgery - usually within 2 weeks of the decision to have the procedure. In the US emergency hip replacements are done same day. In Canada patients who require emergency hip replacement surgeries are often sent to the US.

    Facts.
    Facts? As far as I'm concerned, without a source, these are simply numbers you've pulled out of your ass.

    Yes there are wait times. I had to wait eight whole weeks for a joint replacement. Maybe you have lower wait times than that because fewer people get surgery as it is unaffordable. Do you have some stats on how many people suffer without ever having surgery because they don't have 50 grand(including surgery, physio and drugs) just lying around that they can spend on a new joint?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    Facts? As far as I'm concerned, without a source, these are simply numbers you've pulled out of your ass.

    Yes there are wait times. I had to wait eight whole weeks for a joint replacement. Maybe you have lower wait times than that because fewer people get surgery as it is unaffordable. Do you have some stats on how many people suffer without ever having surgery because they don't have 50 grand(including surgery, physio and drugs) just lying around that they can spend on a new joint?
    Word on everything you just said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fauvee View Post
    Your rosey picture of Canadian health Care is beyond the pale of reality. I deal in statistical facts. 20% of Canadians who live within 200 miles of the US border/major US city buy some type of US Health Insurance.
    First of all, I am skeptical that the percentage is that high. But even if that is the case, so what? You seem to be purporting that Canadians are getting U.S. health insurance because Canadians offer inferior care. That is nonsense. Most who carry U.S. health insurance do so because they spend a lot of time in the U.S. and don't want to go bankrupt if they need emergency care while visiting or wintering in the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    Facts? As far as I'm concerned, without a source, these are simply numbers you've pulled out of your ass.

    Yes there are wait times. I had to wait eight whole weeks for a joint replacement. Maybe you have lower wait times than that because fewer people get surgery as it is unaffordable. Do you have some stats on how many people suffer without ever having surgery because they don't have 50 grand(including surgery, physio and drugs) just lying around that they can spend on a new joint?
    America already has a defacto Universal Health Care System that is F R E E. Every County with over 25,000 residents in every state in The United States has a Public Health Clinic System that will procure any essential health care procedure or assistance any person requests - including all doctors, specialists, surgeons, procedures, surgeries, and medications. Every City with a population of 10,000 or more in America has at least one (1) designated Charity Hospital. Anyone who requests care can get it. You must wait in line in Public Health Clinics. The primary care doctors in these Public Health Care Clinics are usually employed by the state but ALL Specialists, and ALL Surgeons are in private practice and treat patients who have insurance as well as patients who recieve Public Health Assistance. Every State has a Department of Health and Hospitals (or the equivolent) that serves the public. The wait times for these American Public Health Clinics is LESS than the wait times for Canadian citizens in the Socialized Health Care System in Canada.

    The same formula applies to Mental Health Care - Every large County in the US has a Mental Health Agency System that offers FREE mental health care and FREE medications.
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    so everyone gets treated and nobody pays and rainbows and puppies are everywhere?
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