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Thread: Georgetown University asked to cover name of Jesus - White House request

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    talking about religion in vague terms is one thing. surrounding yourself with a bunch of iconography is another.

    one is a president talking about historical/religious events in context.

    the other is someone giving a sermon.

    one of these things will not happen.

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    The White House may not have asked that the references to Jesus be removed for anti religious purposes, but the effect and message came across as such. In history and politics, the "cause-effect" dynamics are very important. This is why I belive it's a mistake and may very well backfire on Obama.

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    Well then, he really doesn't have to give a speech from a religious university, does he? Going into a religious institution and asking them to cover an integral part of their identity in order to satisfy your need for an image of secularism is silly. Just give your speech at a public, non-religious venue.

    I'm an atheist but I went to a private Catholic college and having religious symbols around the campus and in facilities is simply par for the course. If you don't like it, you are more than free to go elsewhere.

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    the only people who will lose their minds will be the nutballs. anybody else with a lick of sense will figure out exactly why it's being done.
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    Go speak at a non religious school if you don't want religious material around.

    It's really that simple.

    Grimm, I don't think you even understand why it's being done, because you're comments are way off from the reasons the White House has given.

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    then you'd have people bitching that he wasn't being inclusive of people of faith.
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    I'm an atheist but I went to a private Catholic college and having religious symbols around the campus and in facilities is simply par for the course. If you don't like it, you are more than free to go elsewhere.
    I agree with you. This was overkill. Go elsewhere rather than have the college hide what is important to them.

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    yeah, except you're not a politician representing a vast nation filled with many types of religions, who has to represent that.

    come on guys, this isn't hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseguy View Post
    The White House may not have asked that the references to Jesus be removed for anti religious purposes, but the effect and message came across as such. In history and politics, the "cause-effect" dynamics are very important. This is why I belive it's a mistake and may very well backfire on Obama.
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    again, only the nutters will be up in arms over it
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    it won't be just the nutters. this just happens to be crack for the nutters.
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    again, only the nutters will be up in arms over it
    Why do you have to be a nutter to disagree with it? I'm not Catholic but I can totally understand why a Catholic would be offended by this.

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    I'm not a nutter and I think it's ridiculous to enter a religious institution and ask them to un-religion themselves to suit your needs. If you want to present a non-partial image, then go give your recorded speeches from a neutral place.

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    I think it's weird they asked them to cover stuff up. I mean, the place is what it is.
    I get that they want to appease everyone but it is what it is.

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    1) the university invited HIM

    2) The white house asked for the alterations, they said sure

    they didn't have to. They could have said no. They didn't.
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