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    Quote Originally Posted by southernbelle View Post
    I like Elisabeth, and I think she does make some good points about the hypocrisy in killing helpless animals and in killing helpless babies... specifically with regard to late term abortions, which I feel are cruel and completely inexcusable.

    Like Elisabeth, I believe that the "choice" is whether or not to have sex if you're not prepared to have a baby. Not whether or not to abort it once you've gotten knocked up because of your choice to have sex and then decide you don't want a kid. (I DO support abortion within a certain time frame in cases of rape).

    As for the pro-life/pro-death penalty argument that Whoopi makes, I can explain that. They're both about personal responsibility. People who are pro-life/pro-death penalty are also pro-taking responsibility for your choices (the choice to have sex, the choice to commit crime).
    Whether someone is pro-life/pro-choice doesn't change the fact that Hasselbeck dragged the abortion debate into a discussion about shooting wolves from an airplane. It makes no sense, since the issues aren't remotely related. And when that fact was pointed out to her she tried to whine about socialism, which is why she's an idiot.

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    She doesn't have the ability to think in a logical way. I think that's been amply proven. Her sad little brain is so scrambled that when she hears "killing" her mind starts blinking "abortion"; "Democrat", "terrorist"; "Limbaugh", "highly fuckable hunk".

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    Hasselback is such an embarrassment to conservative views. I can't understand why she's given a platform when all she does is make herself and her beliefs look uneducated and down right absurd. If she at least understood her own thoughts, and could back them up with facts and complete sentances, I could see the point of having her talk. This way she's just a circus clown.
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    She makes me want to have an abortion just to piss her off

    And how cunty do you have to be to shoot wolves?

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    How...does....this...relate...to ABORTION? And isn't she a fucking celebrity?

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    Like Elisabeth, I believe that the "choice" is whether or not to have sex if you're not prepared to have a baby.
    Yeah, but here in the really real world we have developed things called contraception which lets us enjoy the intimacy of sexual relations with our partners while drastically reducing the danger of disease or pregnancy. That IS taking responsibility for your actions. You don't have to be prepared to raise a child in order to enjoy sex. Hell, ancient cultures used all sorts of techniques. Contraception is not new.

    In the really REAL world people will have sex, contraception or not. We don't live in some bizarre fucko catholic shame world where you don't fuck unless you want a kid, and if you get knocked up you have no other options open to you. That doesn't exist in reality. In reality, there are MANY options.

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    Elisabitch has serious issues. How is one of thsoe things related to another? Seriously? No wonder she pals around with Sarah the Wolf Terrorist Palin.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhoAmI View Post
    She doesn't have the ability to think in a logical way. I think that's been amply proven. Her sad little brain is so scrambled that when she hears "killing" her mind starts blinking "abortion"; "Democrat", "terrorist"; "Limbaugh", "highly fuckable hunk".


    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    In the really REAL world people will have sex, contraception or not. We don't live in some bizarre fucko catholic shame world where you don't fuck unless you want a kid, and if you get knocked up you have no other options open to you. That doesn't exist in reality. In reality, there are MANY options.

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    Also, in the "real" world, many married or otherwise partnered women continue to have sex with their partner only because he would leave them if they did not. Many are either no longer interested in sex or do not want to become pregnant. In the real world, many women don't have birth control options that are covered by health insurance and have partners who refuse to wear condoms. In the ideal world, you'd blame her for no longer being interested in sex for not leaving him, but in the real world, things are not always peachy keen and perfect like in the magazines. Women do not always have sex because it's their "choice". It's often an obligation that is carried through because of a promise made in a marriage ceremony.

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    Divorce is in the real world as well. If she doesn't leave him, that's her choice, but the option is still there. If she chooses that rape in marriage is better then going against her church or whatever the reasons are, fine. But divorce is still an option for woman who value themselves more then their religion which won't protect them in their marriages from violence and diseases.
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    I am so sick of these pro-life whiners constantly bringing up abortion, regardless of the subject. Abortion has nothing to do with aerial wolf shooting, and getting rid of a clump of cells is NOT comparable to terrorizing and shooting a living, helpless animal.

    And the "only have sex if you are prepared to have a kid" is so 1950's catholic. People are going to have sex, and if they get pregnant and don't want to be, they are going to have abortions. All the crap about abortion being physically and mentally damaging is just that, CRAP. Most women feel an overwhelming sense of relief once they get rid of an unwanted pregnancy. And there is NOTHING wrong with that!

    Finally, anti-abortionists need to be consistent. If you think it's a baby, then it' a baby, whether it's conceived due to birth control failure, lack of birth control, rape, or incest. You should not support abortion under any circumstances.

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    ^^ That's like saying you should support abortion in all cases and that is not how most people think. I am pro-choice, but I'm not for having abortions willy nilly.
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    The fact that I respect my body and have values and religious beliefs regarding sex doesn't mean that I'm not in "reality". There are a lot of people who feel the same way I do. Not everyone thinks of sex as just another casual activity, or views abortion lightly, like it's just another form of birth control or something.

    I think that a lot of people don't take sex seriously enough. I'm tired of the attitude that anyone with conservative values or anyone who is religious is an idiot or not "living in the real world." The real world consists of people with tons of different ideas and beliefs.

    Most people here disagree with me on this and other political/religious issues. That doesn't make either opinion less valid or "real". I just really wish that people on GR would be more tolerant of different ideas because I think we could have some really interesting discussions if they didn't all end with everyone immediately ridiculing and denouncing anyone with a different viewpoint as an idiot, a bigot, a fanatic, etc.

    In the real world, many women don't have birth control options that are covered by health insurance and have partners who refuse to wear condoms.
    As far as people getting pregnant because they have partners who "refuse to wear condoms," I would hope they'd have enough self respect and intelligence not to sleep with that person, especially if they didn't want a kid. If it's a situation of actual rape, that's different, but willingly having sex with a partner who won't wear a condom if you're not using any other form of contraception and you don't want a kid is extremely poor judgment, IMO.

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    I'm talking about husbands who won't wear condoms. It happens. A lot.

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    Some of you religious people have had SEX out of marriage, in fact some of you have never even been married so don't get all high and mighty because you look like a hypocrite. And obviously it was SEX for PLEASURE not reproduction because these people have never had children and must have used contraceptive. Hm, if they were ready for sex, they must have been ready for a baby- why were they screwing and didn't produce a child? Oh yeah, because sex isn't just for reproducing.
    So my advice is for those people to STFU and stop being hypocritical. You got lucky and didn't get knocked up even though your religious beliefs said you shouldn't have been screwing anyone out of wedlock. It looks bad when you want to hold others' accountable for your beliefs, but you can't even follow your own principles. Until you can walk the straight and narrow, you are really in no place to tell other's what they should do with their lives and bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pippin69 View Post
    Divorce is in the real world as well. If she doesn't leave him, that's her choice, but the option is still there. If she chooses that rape in marriage is better then going against her church or whatever the reasons are, fine. But divorce is still an option for woman who value themselves more then their religion which won't protect them in their marriages from violence and diseases.
    I didn't say anything about rape. I was just talking about continuing to have sex with your husband even though you'd prefer not to in order to keep the marriage together. People can still love their husbands but no longer have interest in sex. I know several women who went off the pill because it destroyed their libido completely (and it never came back--an unfortunate side effect of birth control pills that doctors often don't know about or don't bother to tell you about). They continued to have sex, but with less secure birth control options. Guess what happened?

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