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    Here's a chart showing where the money in the U.S. Budget goes:


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    I want to see a breakdown of what percent of SS goes to those who have retired, those on disability and survivors benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    I want to see a breakdown of what percent of SS goes to those who have retired, those on disability and survivors benefits.
    I'll look...

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    Latest I could find. I'm not sure what the total payout in SS was for 2003, so we could see what percentage of that disabled workers are. Check the number of people with terminated benefits:


    Highlights 2003

    Size and Scope of the Social Security Disability Program
    • Disability benefits were paid to over 6.8 million people.
    • Awards to disabled workers (755,706) accounted for about 91 percent of awards to all disabled beneficiaries (829,831).
    • Payments to disabled beneficiaries totaled about $66 billion.
    • Benefits were terminated for about 447,485 disabled workers.
    • Supplemental Security Income payments were another source of income for about 1 out of 6 disabled beneficiaries.
    Profile of Disabled-Worker Beneficiaries
    • Workers accounted for the largest share of disabled beneficiaries (86 percent).
    • Average age was about 51.
    • Men represented about 55 percent.
    • Mental disorders was the diagnosis for about a third.
    • Average monthly benefit received was $862.
    • Supplemental Security Income payments were another source of income for about 1 out of 7

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    Maybe it would help if the fucking government wouldn't send billions of dollars to foreign countries. Stupid ass Obama just promised Pakistan 7.5 Billion over the next 5 years, WTF!! The government needs to STOP foreign aid until this mess is straightened out. You don't give money to your neighbors if you don't have enough to feed your own family.

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    I don't want to go on a rant about disability, but it makes me so mad how many able-bodied people live off the system because they don't want to work. I've literally seen it with my own eyes, like the mechanic who lives near my parents and works on cars in his back yard every day but would rather drink and smack his wife around than go get a job at a garage.

    Meanwhile my mom, who has diabetes, cancer, debilitating arthritis, a nearly useless left arm (injury and botched surgery), and just recently had to have major surgery on her failing heart applies for disability and has the doctor tell her that she should just go back into nursing instead of applying for benefits because she'd make more money. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? FUCK THAT. I am so fucking sick of this whole backwards buttfuck country right now.
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    My dad had a heart attack in the early 80's and has been on disability ever since. He was getting employer disability, and had been turned down for SS disability, but some lawyers were hired (by his employer or by him, I'm not sure) and he has been on disability for over 25 years now. He was in his early 30's when he "retired". He is bad off now, but that's mainly because of emphysema, he can hardly breathe, but honestly when he was young there was no reason he couldn't have worked.

    He's old enough now to collect regular SS and Medicaid and he is one of those that sits in his lazyboy chair watching Faux news constantly and complaining about socialism and Obama and his Chicago style politics and his cronies.

    If I called him out on his hypocrisy he'd probably either slap me and call me disrespectful and to get out of his house, or he'd turn bright red and have a stroke. He's already had one major stroke, so I don't want to be the one that killed my dad.

    But you can see the problem here...and the holidays are coming upon us and I have to spend time there.

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    I say do it anyway and rid yourself of an apparent abuser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I say do it anyway and rid yourself of an apparent abuser.
    Even though we're down to the cordial visit a few times a year, he's still my dad and there's a lot of emotions that I'm going to have to deal with when he dies. Some relief, some guilt (over the relief), some regret...I'd prefer not to hurry that along or to make our last days antagonistic. My mom is already dead, my one remaining grandparent in a nursing home with late stage Alzheimer's. When he dies my entire family is gone.

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    About 10 years ago, my dad had a series of strokes, one while on the job. He worked for the city as a equipment operator (drove bulldozers, endloaders, etc...) Anyway, he was put on disability by the city, his employer, and really pushed to get him on SS disability so they didn't have to pay his bill anymore. So when he went on SS disability, he lost his health coverage too.

    Truthfully, my dad could work, just in another profession. He's fully recovered, and winters every year in Florida with his girlfriend that he mooches off of. If he's good enough to go to Florida, he could work.
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    What really gets me angry Social Security belongs to the people who work and contribute to the system it doesn't belong to the politicians and the ones on this commission who want to destroy it. The ones in Washington are the ones who constantly raided the Social Security Fund to use the so-called surplus Social Security dollars to fund their wars (Iraq and Afganistan and the Vietnam war and so on. Now they have the nerve to include Social Security in their deficit cutting fiasco. The government has to pay back the money it borrowed for wars from the Social Security Fund which belong to us the taxpayers and put it back into the fund. To me this is what they are worried about,the money they have to pay back. The government never should have taken any money from Social Security to fund their wars in the first place. To make matters worse they still want to give the very wealthy tax breaks. If we have such a deficit how can you still give tax breaks to the very wealthy and as a previous poster said give money to foreign countries? It's sad they never cared about the middle class or the poor in this country and this proves it!

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    This is the first time in my life that I'm taking any benefits that I've put into over the last 20 plus years. I get to take 4 weeks off pre-birth and 6 weeks off post-birth. This is at about 50% of my salary. This is a combo of my own work benefits and state government benefits. Now, I know I'm not "disabled" in the traditional sense, but when I see people that are perfectly "abled", taking benefits it pisses me off.

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    KrisNine - that is short term disability though. It is there for your medical need and for a limited period of time. I support helping people through a transition and even in providing them with training for a new career if they can no longer do what they had been doing. I will never support paying them to sit at home all day when they could be working.

    Years ago I worked at a call center while in college. They hired a man who was paralyze because as a teen he had accidentally shot himself. I loved him. He had been trained to use computers with voice recognition software. The company was given assistance to purchase what was needed for him to become a CSR. He showed up for work with a smile on his face every single day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    KrisNine - that is short term disability though. It is there for your medical need and for a limited period of time. I support helping people through a transition and even in providing them with training for a new career if they can no longer do what they had been doing. I will never support paying them to sit at home all day when they could be working.

    Years ago I worked at a call center while in college. They hired a man who was paralyze because as a teen he had accidentally shot himself. I loved him. He had been trained to use computers with voice recognition software. The company was given assistance to purchase what was needed for him to become a CSR. He showed up for work with a smile on his face every single day.
    Oh, I hear you about supporting people to stay home when they are perfectly able to work. My mom has people in her neighborhood that do just that. Husband, wife and son in his 20's. Parents haven't worked in years, son doesn't work (except on his cars) but they collect benefits and brag about it.

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