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    Robert W. Patterson, an acting associate Social Security commissioner, previously argued against contraceptives because "condom use robs" women of the "remarkable chemicals" in semen and said married women in the workplace have undermined society.

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    So women shouldn't work and just be happy for the magic splooge delivered by menfolk? Alright then.
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    did this guy just walk out of sigma nu?

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    Sarah Kendzior@sarahkendzior


    Sarah Kendzior Retweeted Elijah E. Cummings
    Pay attention to the long-term, cumulative damage of the shutdown, including the effect on the census.The Trump admin has long sought to manipulate the census in an effort to reallocate resources and annihilate rights. This isn't just a shutdown -- it's a hostile restructuring.

    I warned from the start that this was a deliberate plan. There are some things we may be able to recover: voter rights, jobs. There are others we may lose forever -- like some of our national parks.And most importantly, we lose lives. The admin kills, the shutdown accelerates.

    The scope of loss from the shutdown is staggering. Already we lost FDA inspection; FBI and TSA protection from terrorism and violent crime; food stamps for needy families; paychecks for desperate workers; the national parks system...It's unsustainable and that's the point.




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    Elijah E. Cummings Retweeted

    Because of the Trump shutdown, the Census Bureau may run out of funding in February to continue preparations for the 2020 Census. Decisions affecting every American are made with Census data, including making sure communities get their fair share of federal funds. #EndTheShutdown https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1083408165759262720 …
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    Gee...who would have thought that this was a scam.....

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    So, Kolfage has again updated the campaign to build the wall himself. He’s formed a non-profit (to move the $$ to) and a team. Since he broke his original promise, GoFundMe said “all donors will receive a refund”


    The $20million Build the Wall campaign is getting refunded. @gofundme is refunding everyone (~330,000 people) who donated because, according to a spokesperson, Brian Kolfage broke the original promise of the campaign to give the money back if they didn’t reach their goal.



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    Daniel Dale on Twitter....


    Trump tried to sell a concrete wall, then tried to sell a steel barrier. Today: "In many cases, steel walls, it's steel that is, that has, concrete inside. It's pumped into the steel. It's hollow, and it's pumped into the steel. So it's sort of a combination of both."

    Trump: "They say it's medieval. But so is the wheel, medieval. I look at all the vans....every one of those had the wheel...some things don't change. Wheels and walls. They haven't found an alternative to either of those two. Right? They haven't found an alternative."

    Trump says that he hasn't spent the $1.6 billion allocated last year (to non-wall fencing) because he doesn't believe in paying contractors until the end of the project when you can see if they did a good job. This story appears entirely fictional as it relates to the fencing.

    After telling a story that began "the reason we haven't spent it," Trump then says this in the same minute: "The money they say we didn't spend has been spent, but it hasn't been paid. There's a big difference."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShimmeringGlow View Post
    Gee...who would have thought that this was a scam.....

    Brianna Sacks@bri_sacks

    So, Kolfage has again updated the campaign to build the wall himself. He’s formed a non-profit (to move the $$ to) and a team. Since he broke his original promise, GoFundMe said “all donors will receive a refund”


    The $20million Build the Wall campaign is getting refunded. @gofundme is refunding everyone (~330,000 people) who donated because, according to a spokesperson, Brian Kolfage broke the original promise of the campaign to give the money back if they didn’t reach their goal.





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    EXCLUSIVE: Trump’s actions so alarmed FBI after Comey firing that it began investigating if he was working for Russia @adamgoldmanNYT @npfandos https://t.co/uP52f8m2qf
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    Source: New York Times


    F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia



    Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times





    By Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Nicholas Fandos



    • Jan. 11, 2019

    WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.



    The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.


    The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.


    Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, took over the inquiry into Mr. Trump when he was appointed, days after F.B.I. officials opened it. That inquiry is part of Mr. Mueller’s broader examination of how Russian operatives interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Trump associates conspired with them. It is unclear whether Mr. Mueller is still pursuing the counterintelligence matter, and some former law enforcement officials outside the investigation have questioned whether agents overstepped in opening it.




    The criminal and counterintelligence elements were coupled together into one investigation, former law enforcement officials said in interviews in recent weeks, because if Mr. Trump had ousted the head of the F.B.I. to impede or even end the Russia investigation, that was both a possible crime and a national security concern. The F.B.I.’s counterintelligence division handles national security matters.



    If the president had fired Mr. Comey to stop the Russia investigation, the action would have been a national security issue because it naturally would have hurt the bureau’s effort to learn how Moscow interfered in the 2016 election and whether any Americans were involved, according to James A. Baker, who served as F.B.I. general counsel until late 2017. He privately testified in October before House investigators who were examining the F.B.I.’s handling of the full Russia inquiry.



    The F.B.I. investigated whether the firing of Mr. Comey was a national security threat.CreditErik S Lesser/EPA, via Shutterstock





    “Not only would it be an issue of obstructing an investigation, but the obstruction itself would hurt our ability to figure out what the Russians had done, and that is what would be the threat to national security,” Mr. Baker said in his testimony, portions of which were read to The New York Times. Mr. Baker did not explicitly acknowledge the existence of the investigation of Mr. Trump to congressional investigators.


    No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials. An F.B.I. spokeswoman and a spokesman for the special counsel’s office both declined to comment.

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, a lawyer for the president, sought to play down the significance of the investigation. “The fact that it goes back a year and a half and nothing came of it that showed a breach of national security means they found nothing,” Mr. Giuliani said on Friday, though he acknowledged that he had no insight into the inquiry.




    The cloud of the Russia investigation has hung over Mr. Trump since even before he took office, though he has long vigorously denied any illicit connection to Moscow. The obstruction inquiry, revealed by The Washington Post a few weeks after Mr. Mueller was appointed, represented a direct threat that he was unable to simply brush off as an overzealous examination of a handful of advisers. But few details have been made public about the counterintelligence aspect of the investigation.


    The decision to investigate Mr. Trump himself was an aggressive move by F.B.I. officials who were confronting the chaotic aftermath of the firing of Mr. Comey and enduring the president’s verbal assaults on the Russia investigation as a “witch hunt.”


    A vigorous debate has taken shape among some former law enforcement officials outside the case over whether F.B.I. investigators overreacted in opening the counterintelligence inquiry during a tumultuous period at the Justice Department. Other former officials noted that those critics were not privy to all of the evidence and argued that sitting on it would have been an abdication of duty.


    The F.B.I. conducts two types of inquiries, criminal and counterintelligence investigations. Unlike criminal investigations, which are typically aimed at solving a crime and can result in arrests and convictions, counterintelligence inquiries are generally fact-finding missions to understand what a foreign power is doing and to stop any anti-American activity, like thefts of United States government secrets or covert efforts to influence policy. In most cases, the investigations are carried out quietly, sometimes for years. Often, they result in no arrests.


    Mr. Trump had caught the attention of F.B.I. counterintelligence agents when he called on Russia during a campaign news conference in July 2016 to hack into the emails of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. Mr. Trump had refused to criticize Russia on the campaign trail, praising President Vladimir V. Putin. And investigators had watched with alarm as the Republican Party softened its convention platform on the Ukraine crisis in a way that seemed to benefit Russia.

















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    Other factors fueled the F.B.I.’s concerns, according to the people familiar with the inquiry. Christopher Steele, a former British spy who worked as an F.B.I. informant, had compiled memos in mid-2016 containing unsubstantiated claims that Russian officials tried to obtain influence over Mr. Trump by preparing to blackmail and bribe him.

    In the months before the 2016 election, the F.B.I. was also already investigating four of Mr. Trump’s associates over their ties to Russia. The constellation of events disquieted F.B.I. officials who were simultaneously watching as Russia’s campaign unfolded to undermine the presidential election by exploiting existing divisions among Americans.




    “In the Russian Federation and in President Putin himself, you have an individual whose aim is to disrupt the Western alliance and whose aim is to make Western democracy more fractious in order to weaken our ability, America’s ability and the West’s ability to spread our democratic ideals,” Lisa Page, a former bureau lawyer, told House investigators in private testimony reviewed by The Times.


    “That’s the goal, to make us less of a moral authority to spread democratic values,” she added. Parts of her testimony were first reported by The Epoch Times.


    And when a newly inaugurated Mr. Trump sought a loyalty pledge from Mr. Comey and later asked that he end an investigation into the president’s national security adviser, the requests set off discussions among F.B.I. officials about opening an inquiry into whether Mr. Trump had tried to obstruct that case.


    But law enforcement officials put off the decision to open the investigation until they had learned more, according to people familiar with their thinking. As for a counterintelligence inquiry, they concluded that they would need strong evidence to take the sensitive step of investigating the president, and they were also concerned that the existence of such an inquiry could be leaked to the news media, undermining the entire investigation into Russia’s meddling in the election.


    After Mr. Comey was fired on May 9, 2017, two more of Mr. Trump’s actions prompted them to quickly abandon those reservations.

    The first was a letter Mr. Trump wanted to send to Mr. Comey about his firing, but never did, in which he mentioned the Russia investigation. In the letter, Mr. Trump thanked Mr. Comey for previously telling him he was not a subject of the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation.




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    Even after the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, wrote a more restrained draft of the letter and told Mr. Trump that he did not have to mention the Russia investigation — Mr. Comey’s poor handling of the Clinton email investigation would suffice as a fireable offense, he explained — Mr. Trump directed Mr. Rosenstein to mention the Russia investigation anyway.


    He disregarded the president’s order, irritating Mr. Trump. The president ultimately added a reference to the Russia investigation to the note he had delivered, thanking Mr. Comey for telling him three times that he was not under investigation.


    The second event that troubled investigators was an NBC News interview two days after Mr. Comey’s firing in which Mr. Trump appeared to say he had dismissed Mr. Comey because of the Russia inquiry.


    “I was going to fire Comey knowing there was no good time to do it,” he said. “And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”


    Mr. Trump’s aides have said that a fuller examination of his comments demonstrates that he did not fire Mr. Comey to end the Russia inquiry. “I might even lengthen out the investigation, but I have to do the right thing for the American people,” Mr. Trump added. “He’s the wrong man for that position.”


    As F.B.I. officials debated whether to open the investigation, some of them pushed to move quickly before Mr. Trump appointed a director who might slow down or even end their investigation into Russia’s interference. Many involved in the case viewed Russia as the chief threat to American democratic values.


    “With respect to Western ideals and who it is and what it is we stand for as Americans, Russia poses the most dangerous threat to that way of life,” Ms. Page told investigators for a joint House Judiciary and Oversight Committee investigation into Moscow’s election interference.

    F.B.I. officials viewed their decision to move quickly as validated when a comment the president made to visiting Russian officials in the Oval Office shortly after he fired Mr. Comey was revealed days later.




    “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to a document summarizing the meeting. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”





    Follow Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Nicholas Fandos on Twitter: @adamgoldmanNYT, @nytmike and @npfandos.

    A version of this article appears in print on Jan. 1




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    Source: RawStory

    'We have the umbilical cord': Harvard Law professor explains Don Jr. and Jared Kushner are caught on collusion



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    08 Jan 2019 at 19:10 ET









    President Donald Trump's eldest child and namesake son, Donald Trump Jr., senior advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner, and former Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort. Composite image.







    Constitutional expert Laurence Tribe — who has taught at Harvard Law for half a century — explained how Donald Trump Jr. allegedly violated federal law during the 2016 presidential campaign.



    On MSNBC’s “The Beat” with Ari Melber, Tribe explained the significance to Tuesday’s bombshell reports that Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was charged with obstruction of justice and Paul Manafort’s attorneys inadvertently revealing how he mislead special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigators.

    Tribe has argued before the Supreme Court three dozen times and is the co-author of the 2018 book To End a Presidency: The Power of Impeachment.




    “Professor Tribe, how do you view this in the larger context of these multiple investigations?” Melber asked.



    “Ari, I view it as quite a bombshell,” Tribe said.



    “The Veselnitskaya part is probably less profound than the Manafort part, but I agree with Glenn [Kirschner] that Veselnitskaya is now clearly exposed as an agent of the Kremlin,” he explained.



    “So that when an offer was made at that infamous Trump Tower meeting of emails from Hillary Clinton, the offer that Donald Jr. said he would ‘love’ if it came at the right time in the campaign, we now know that that’s basically an offer of help from the Kremlin and a violation of American Law, which forbids accepting offers or soliciting offers of foreign help,” Tribe explained.



    “As far as Manafort is concerned, we now have the umbilical cord that connects all of the Russian-side conspiracies with the American-side conspiracies,” he added.



    In addition to Manafort, senior White House advisor Jared Kushner and Trump Jr. likely have significant legal exposure after participating in the Trump Tower meeting.



    “And it means that the president’s son and the head of the president’s campaign and the president’s son-in-law — all of those people were soliciting help, not just from some random Russian, but from the Kremlin,” he concluded.



    “All that’s missing is a bow to tie this whole thing into a knot,” Tribe added. “And I think we are now seeing the structure of a multinational conspiracy to help Donald Trump win the election. It’s quite profound.”



    “It’s profound when you put it like that,” Melber agreed.

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    Was/is Trump working for Russia? Yes, absolutely. Is he doing it knowingly and deliberately? No, I don't think so. He's being played like a fish on a line. They flatter him and tell him all the things his impulsive, narcissistic personality loves to hear and off he toddles with a whole new set of destructive ideas in his rats nest head and they laugh and wait for an advantageous end result. The Syrian withdrawal is going to be one example of this.

    He's a cat's paw and his rampaging ego won't ever let him acknowledge it, even if a cell door clanged behind him.
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    Yeah, the FBI investigating a sitting "president" for this is a big fat hairy deal. Never has happened before (never had to). Don's not as teflon as he thought.
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    Trump tweets this AM (so far)
    * 4 attacking NYT report
    * 1 false claim that he has been tougher on Russia
    * 1 attacking ex-FBI officials
    * 3 attacking Dems over shutdown
    * 1 on undocumented immigrant crimes
    * 1 attacking WaPo reporter
    * 1 claiming he has a shutdown strategy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShimmeringGlow View Post
    Trump tweets this AM (so far)
    * 4 attacking NYT report
    * 1 false claim that he has been tougher on Russia
    * 1 attacking ex-FBI officials
    * 3 attacking Dems over shutdown
    * 1 on undocumented immigrant crimes
    * 1 attacking WaPo reporter
    * 1 claiming he has a shutdown strategy
    Yup.






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    Who the fuck are the 25K morons who like Dump’s tweets?
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