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    These questions are in the underground and on the periphery.. nobody takes them seriously because the GOP will tarnish anyone who goes against their Osama story as 'traitors' or 'conspiracy theorists'
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    I've been gone for a while and just had the opportunity to finally post again.

    This thread makes me want to hide under the covers. I can't really believe that this documentary is being taken seriously. I just can't. I love conspiracy theories (okay I really LOVE them) but this is just crazy!

    Please tell me we're all viewing this with a dose of healthy skepticism and not buying it hook, line and sinker! I mean really, they already think we wear tin foil hats.....this wild speculation ain't gonna help.

    Anyway, I found this article. Sounds more sane to me. Just a thought.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html
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    It's not that crazy, especially with video footage backing up what they claim.

    Also, here's a point by point refutation of Popular Mechanics' article:

    http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_me..._mechanics.htm

    'Popular Mechanics' is published by the Hearst Corporation, proprietor (chairman of the board) George R. Hearst, grandson of William Randolph Hearst, sometime would-be builder of large aeroplanes.

    http://www.business-magazines.com/prd1350.php
    http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/hearst.asp
    http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographie...io_hearst.html

    The president and CEO of Hearst Corporation is one Victor F. Ganzi, since June 1st, 2002. Mr Ganzi is also an officer/director of the Hearst Foundation.

    http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographie..._2003_2_BW.jpg
    http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographie...bio_ganzi.html
    http://www.oaklandwib.org/Images/Ima...2200432537.pdf

    A close look at the titles of the books on the shelf behind Mr Ganzi in the photo (GANZI_2003_2_BW.jpg) reveals that some part of Mr Ganzi's early career was spent working for the owners of the Atlantic City Boardwalk and associated hotels and casinos; sometime friends of a certain Mr Frank Sinatra, as I recall.

    Victor F. Ganzi is on the board of directors of The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University (CASA), alongside Columba Bush, wife of Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, brother of George W. Bush, President of the USA and son of George H.W. Bush, former DG of the CIA. http://www.nationalfamilies.org/prevention/casa.html

    Victor F. Ganzi is a member of B.E.N.S. - "Business Executives for National Security" http://www.bens.org/what_threats_intel.html#intel - wherein we learn that "When it came time to evaluate In-Q-Tel, the CIA's innovative technology development enterprise, Congress turned to BENS"

    In October 2002, B.E.N.S. received a "CIA Agency Seal Medallion" for its work on the In-Q-Tel program.

    http://www.bens.org/highlights_InQTelMedal.html

    In-Q-Tel? It is described as "A new partnership between the CIA and the 'private sector' [my apostrophes].", making it a classic front for traditional fascism and other American-style old-fashioned family values. http://www.in-q-tel.org/


    It's a right-wing supporting company, in bed with military-industrial concerns and connections to the CIA.

    Of course they'd try to refute (badly) the evidence.

    All media in the US is owned by massive conglomerates, who's various wings inevitably involve military or financial sectors. They skew what their 'news' stations report by a massive degree to protect those interests, which benefit more shady aspects of government, and are then rewarded with massive tax breaks, loopholes, no-bid contracts. You wouldn't believe how much they blatantly lie from 6 to 7 pm, and that's why the whole Iraq thing went down so easily. A stupid, apathetic population robbed of its ability to think clearly because they're told what to think day after day by said news organizations as if what they report is the absolute truth, when it's more like 50/50%.

    The internet, blogs, and other such communications are pretty much the only free-thinking, information gathering medium there is and blogs tend to catch on A LOT faster. A lot of reasonably small and independent news organizations troll blogs to get the latest scoop.

    I wouldn't trust the networks, I don't even bother with them any more after seeing how far they'll go to bury things they don't want you to see.
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    Wow grimm - you've got a lot of info. Will read and re-read...on the road and my laptop is sketchy right now. thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok
    Bush was flailing at the polls at the time, a presidency going nowhere with no theme or momentum.. he was dying.

    All of a sudden, blammo. Terrorist attack. Convenient, no?
    Remember a similar thing happened just before the (re-)elections? When that Bin Laden video message with new threats came out just days before the election? Verrrrry convenient for the President of War and Fear.

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    ITA.

    I just watched that entire video, the pregnant pauses were a bit much, but OMG. I think the most compelling evidence (IMO) was the lack of a crashed airplane in the PA field and in the Pentagon. I have seen pictures of airplane crashes and at the minimum, there are large chunks of plane left over. They don't just disseminate. And the hole in the ground in PA is not large enough for an airplane.
    I also liked the completely undamaged passport - paper - of one of the hijackers found on the streets of NY, without one single scratch on it, while the plane of materials like titanium was reduced to dust
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    when the second plane hit, I saw it ffirst hand. I was standing in front of World Trade. I looked like a commercial jet to me. I saw the windows and the logo. I didn't see people, but I remember it cutting through the building like a hot knife through butter. I remember that the sound of it coming through the city was like thunder on top of us....and you're telling me that this was possibly a Mlitary Aircraft I saw with my own two eyes?!

    I don't want to believe in that possibility, and yet I know that it's greater than just a possibility...
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    Yes, it is a possibility. Scary eh.
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    why, in the name of God, would the gov't do this? simply for power?

    Grimmlok, what the hell kind of power justifies this kind of destruction?
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    Money, power, getting things accomplished that they couldn't without massive public support and no way to drum up said support honestly.

    Bush had planned to invade Iraq long before he got into power to oust Saddam and lay the groundwork for American control of the vast oil reserves under the country for future use. The Bush's are in bed with the Saudis over oil... its their family business. Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld... they were the architects of Nixons presidency, then Bush the 1st and now Bush the 2nd.

    Since the Cold War, the US hasn't had an enemy, an identifiable target with which to focus the US populations ire against and no way to get Saddam. IF they engineered 9/11 they would have a traumatic event with which to cement Bush's power (he was failing badly till then) with a scared population willing to do anything. He then ran to afghanistan to pound the country into bits as a show of retaliation against a possibly non-existent boogeyman, and after that was done, and all his forces were in the viscinity they had the option of going after Iraq.

    So Rumsfeld set up his civilian department within the CIA to sift through little tidbits of information, anything (false or otherwise) that could be twisted into showing Saddam had WMD's. The CIA higher ups were browbeaten by Rumsfeld and a then invincible Bush admin to reject data that did not correspond with Iraq doctrine and did not support their case for war, even if it pointed to Saddam not having WMD's.

    Then, despite being discredited as fake, Gen. Colin Powell got up in front of the UN with his stupid aluminum rods (which were supposedly evidence of Saddam refining plutonium, but were in fact plain old rocket launching tubes) and went on about yellowcake from Nigeria (unrefined plutonium). Valerie Plames husband (the nice lady who was outed as an agent by a vindictive Rove) said the report from an Iraqi about the Nigerian yellowcake was totally fake, and had reported that a YEAR PRIOR to Bush using it. In retaliation, Rove outed Plame's wife, endangering her life. Bush plays dirty.

    Anyhoo, the UN didn't buy it and the US decided to go it alone anyway. During this time, Bush repeatedly linked 9-11 to Iraq, despite there being no evidence of a connection.. what better way to cement the public behind you on it than connecting it to that tragedy? By the time the war started, 53% of Americans thought Saddam himself had piloted the damn planes into the WTC.

    So the Americans roll into Iraq and flatten it, but don't bother planning for the aftermath which they find themselves in now. Doesn't matter, because Bush's oil buddies, the military-industrial concerns, Halliburton (Cheneys old company) get a bunch of no-bid contracts to 'develop' industries in Iraq.. especially the oil industry, which Bush has made sure to be privatised. Bush oil moves in, takes over the Iraqi oil industry by themselves or by proxy companies like Halliburton. BushCo become filthy rich and ensure America has enough oil when the crunch hits 20 years down the line, sold to the population by BushCo, making them even more wealthy.

    In the meantime, color coded terror alerts are used against Bush's political enemies (you'll notice you never hear of them now, but during the Bush/Kerry election anytime Kerry had a speech, up the terror alert would go) to dissuade the public from voting for him, Diebold makes the grand statement that they'll hand Ohio to Bush and conveniently, they're hired to provide electronic voting machines that are easily tampered with and provide no papertrail.

    US journalists are kidnapped or killed at a curious rate, including those critical of the Bush administration. Google the statistics, it's quite interesting to see the pattern of Bush critical reporters 'suicide' or 'missing' numbers.. including one reporter who managed to commit suicide by somehow shooting himself in the back of the head. Twice.

    Now anytime something happens in BushCo world to damage the GOP some 'terror' related incident pops up, from a new Bin Laden tape (which the government assures us is real, despite no second opinion) or possibly having killed an al-qaeda member for the 50th time in a drone missile attack, or some other distraction.

    So yeah. Call me suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamazon
    why, in the name of God, would the gov't do this? simply for power?

    Grimmlok, what the hell kind of power justifies this kind of destruction?
    grimmlock gave a very good example, and I just wanted to add...

    These powerful governments are held by corrupt,filthy and psychopathic cronies who keep secrets from us and do their work to benefit their self-interests. Who the heck knows what they have in their governments behind closed doors. We should not fear Bush and his dumbass cronies, we should fear those we do not see, those hiding in the White House and do all the dirty work.

    I just think some of the American public will just refuse to imagine the possibility of their own government killing their own civilians. They think that is only an exercise by dictatorship regimes. What is so messed up about these powerful democratic governments is that they are actually the ones who have done the most damage to the outside because of their incredible power. The worst violators of nature and human rights never go to jail...They hold the keys to it.Yes, I agree...that "man", when he gets this incredible power, he will kill for power, money and greed and even their own civilians.This has been especially shown with all the past empires and the most powerful states that had a grasp on the world.Americans think this cannot be a facet of their government, because they are democratic and see themselves as civilized and that they hold the rights of humans unlike with rogue states.

    These governments will go to lengths to kill their own innocent civilians for their benefit.They are just better at hiding it. There is even great examples of how the U.S. government beforehand has propped up plans killing their own civilians. It is actually documented that some insiders from the U.S. government planned on hijacking U.S. planes on U.S. ground and murder U.S. civilians to make it look like the Cubans did it to have a reason to invade Cuba. It was called Operation Northwoods.

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    Hmmm, the Shrub is in deep shit AGAIN (still?) and presto> after 15 months of radio silence a "new" taped threat surfaces from Bin Laden. Coincidence?
    I wouldn't be surprised if ole Bin were on the Shrub's payroll
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    ^^ I don't even know if we can count on the State Dept. to honestly
    translate what's on those tapes. They're probably just reporting what
    fits their agenda.

    After all, the CIA appointed two experts to head the war on terror
    and neither one spoke fluent Arabic, according to Harper's.

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    Oh, and you see this as a problem? (just joking)
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    whew. First off, it was a terrorist attack. Plain and simply. Why is it when something tragic happens that people go off the deep and suddenly have to blame things other than what it really is?

    Why would Bush plan an attack? Poll numbers low? Please. What the fuck would he care? He just got into the White House that January. How could you say that it was going no where?

    Also, little unknown fact, Mr. Bush had several relatives in the WTC. Yes. They don't want it to be known. I don't know why. Maybe they didn't want the terrorist to feel that they actually came close to hitting the president personally? Which would excite them even more?

    How come no one said a fucking thing about attacks when Clinton was in? HUH? WHY? And there were plenty. How can you explain the first attack on the WTC?

    Fact is, we have a bunch of fucked up people who want to kill everybody who doesn't believe in their religion. Similar to Pat Buchannon. Maybe? I don't know. He makes me think he wouldn't mind do away with EVERYONE.

    I work in this field. Didn't want to say anything but .....I'll have to explain when it is time for my clearance renewal I guess. *joking*

    They are out there. I know of a few operations that have been shut down.

    Don't fall into the old mind frame of thinking everything is a conspiracy. If that were the case, then to hell with everything, people. We should be worried about the aliens who are right outside of the Earth's border just waiting for their orders to kill us all and let God sort us out.
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    whew. First off, it was a terrorist attack. Plain and simply.
    You don't actually know that, so that statement is useless. That's your opinion.

    Why is it when something tragic happens that people go off the deep and suddenly have to blame things other than what it really is?
    Because plans of this very nature have dreamed up before by the very people doing the same today? Hello, Vietnam was started with a lie. Cuban invasion was going to be started with Operation Northwoods. None of these things are in dispute. Did you even read the thread?

    Why would Bush plan an attack? Poll numbers low? Please.
    Again, did you even read the thread?

    What the fuck would he care? He just got into the White House that January. How could you say that it was going no where?
    Omg, please go read about it. This is embarrassing.

    Also, little unknown fact, Mr. Bush had several relatives in the WTC. Yes. They don't want it to be known. I don't know why.
    Facts please. Some kind of evidence to back this up. And if they don't want it known, how did *you* know about it?

    Maybe they didn't want the terrorist to feel that they actually came close to hitting the president personally? Which would excite them even more?
    Again.. supposition. Some evidence please.

    How come no one said a fucking thing about attacks when Clinton was in? HUH? WHY? And there were plenty. How can you explain the first attack on the WTC?
    USS Cole, plenty of footage exists showing the little raft sidling up beside the thing and blowing a hole in it.

    First WTC attack: Wasn't Al-qaeda, and they actually caught the crazy imam involved. He's presently rotting in jail. Secondly, his brand of attack was the usual: fill up a van with fertilizer soaked in brake fluid, park it near something and kaboom. Not hijack airliners with box cutters, fly them into buildings, and then have the pilots mysteriously turn up alive later on.

    Fact is, we have a bunch of fucked up people who want to kill everybody who doesn't believe in their religion.
    Actually that's not their mindset at all. You should really read what they want, instead of parroting BushCo soundbites.

    Similar to Pat Buchannon. Maybe? I don't know. He makes me think he wouldn't mind do away with EVERYONE.
    Sounds familiar.. Bush so far has whacked about 30,000 - 100,000 iraqi civilians, and poisoned the rest with particulated depleted uranium from US ballistic rounds. Not to mention the US governments ease concerning dictator support in south america, watching Saddam gas kurds and Iranians and turning a blind eye, the Shah of Iran, Noriega, the present Saudi autocracy...

    I work in this field. Didn't want to say anything but .....I'll have to explain when it is time for my clearance renewal I guess.
    Scary that your thought process is so flawed in that case.

    They are out there. I know of a few operations that have been shut down.
    We'll just take your word on that one.

    Don't fall into the old mind frame of thinking everything is a conspiracy.
    Who said 'everything'? this is ONE thing.

    If that were the case, then to hell with everything, people. We should be worried about the aliens who are right outside of the Earth's border just waiting for their orders to kill us all and let God sort us out.
    Don't get me started.
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