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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
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    not at all. that's how it works in switzerland and they're not socialist at all and their heathcare is much more privatised than it is in the rest of europe.
    also, people on unemployment or who are poor are insured by the state and have their healthcare taken care of.

    it's not socialism. it's the state doing its job.
    I didn't know there were poor folks in Switzerland.


    I don't have all the answers....we definitely need to do something different. But the sheer size of the U.S. -- population-wise and geographically-- plus the diversity we have means that what works in much smaller, more homogenous western European societies won't necessarily work so well here. At least without bankrupting us even further. The shit we have now is intolerable though (and this coming from a person lucky to have a stable job and insurance with no premiums as a state employee).
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    you have trillions to support a bloated and uneccesary military industrial complex, and trillions more for useless wars, methinks you have the cash for health care provided you rein in the first and stop engaging in the second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    you rein in the first and stop engaging in the second.

    That sounds vaguely dirty...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxMouse View Post
    I didn't know there were poor folks in Switzerland.


    I don't have all the answers....we definitely need to do something different. But the sheer size of the U.S. -- population-wise and geographically-- plus the diversity we have means that what works in much smaller, more homogenous western European societies won't necessarily work so well here. At least without bankrupting us even further. The shit we have now is intolerable though (and this coming from a person lucky to have a stable job and insurance with no premiums as a state employee).
    The US government actually spends more per capita on health care than Canada does... I dunno, they must just do a crap-tastic job of it somehow, cause you sure get an awful lot less for your money.
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    um, that's because the HMO's and the for-profit pharma/medical industries SET THE PRICES

    they charge ridiculous fees!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    blue shield sucks for the self employed.. premiums have gone up 300%, but the maximum has stayed at what it was since 1997

    insane
    We are self employed, its what we offer. Our rates go up every year no matter what insurance we use even with no claims, this one has the best plan for us, we have been through quite a few over the years.
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    that's sick though.. rates going up, but you're capped off at maximums back in 1997
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    I'm scared to death because I currently don't have insurance but I have scoliosis, so I can only imagine how hard it is going to be to find good coverage. I'm basically just hoping that I don't get hurt in the meantime.
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    The United States is the only industrialized democracy that doesn't have a government-run insurance system. Under such systems, universal coverage is provided through tax revenue. There are no premiums, co-pays or deductibles.
    Actually, in many countries there is a co-pay. It's small but it's there. usually there is an annual cap on the co-pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    McJag, the point is, you could lose that coverage through no fault of your own.
    Moreover, public health care wouldn't end private health care. If you want more than the govt health care services, you can always buy private insurance.

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    ^^That's what they have in Sweden. If you're using the state health care system you co-pay for doctor's visits and prescriptions and there is an annual cap. You also have the option of private insurance that is closely tied to the state system and gives you a few extras but even that is very cheap. By the way, all kids health care is completely free, including dental, until the age-I think-of 16.
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    That's the same system as we have in Finland. There's a public healthcare system that is mostly payed with taxes. Kids have regular checks at the dentist till the age of 18. In the schools the school nurses monitor the "growth progress," hearing, and vision etc., and if they find something unusual then the child is directed to a doctor. This is all free and usually for adults the healthcare is free as well. There might be something you have to pay, but it'll be cost you like 20 euros but even that is very rare. I've had to pay it once. I heard from my father, whose a doctor and also read from my medical school entrance book that in Finland there's a few people who have a rare disease that cost's the government 250 000 euros yearly.

    You do have to pay for your own medicine, but even for that there's an agency called "Kela." They will usually pay half of the price or maybe even more, unless the medicine isn't "necessary" like for example birth control. Though, girls under 18 will get birth control for free for the first 6 months.

    And yes, there's also a private health care which is quite the bit more expensive. Even with them Kela will cover some of the expenses but they're minimal. Usually it costs 80euros for an appointment with a doctor and Kela will pay 8-10 euros of it. I was taken to MRI and for that they payed 200 euros, but I was still left with over 400 euros so it still isn't cheap.

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    When I lived in Sweden I had to have a couple of operations. They were free but the medication I had to take as a result was not free, but it was subsidised. Strangely, in the UK the meds were free. Birth control not free but still cheap. Doctor visits about 20 euros in Sweden, free in the uK. It can be done and it's time it happened in the states. What's holding it back is the idea that it's 'socialism' and the HMO's having most politcos by the short and curlies.
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    In Australia there's the public health system, which is all but free, and also a private health system. When you see an out-patient doctor they may bulk-bill you, ie directly charge it to the government via your Medicare number so you don't have to hand them a cent. That means specialists only get paid 85% of the scheduled fee (the amount Medicare says can be charged for a service) but at least then they don't have to put up with the sagas involved with billing people, etc. GPs get 100% of the fee. Alternatively, a doctor may directly charge patients, in which case they're not restricted by the Medicare scheduled fee, but you can still fill out a few forms and have Medicare reimburse you 85% or 100% of what would be the scheduled fee for that service.

    Whether not a doctor bulk-bills depends on the doctor involved - some will bulk-bill all patients, others only those with "Health Care Cards" (low income, unemployed, pensioners and those receiving a student allowance from the government), some will bulk-bill all seniors and students anyway, etc.

    For treatment provided to a patient who is admitted to a public hospital as a public patient, the government will pay 100% of the treatment fee; accomodation is free. If you're admitted to a private hospital, or a public hospital as a private patient, the government will pay 75% but your insurance will cover the other 25%.

    You can definitely get by without private insurance here - the majority of Australians don't have it. No matter who you are, if you get cancer, or you're hit by a car, or you have some chronic pre-existing condition, you will get treated and will barely have to pay a cent if anything at all.

    Also, most medications are heavily subsidised - even more so if you have a Health Care Card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake View Post
    I love my coverage too. Blue cross and blue shield, I dont want to ever have to change it. I feel for the ones not getting good coverage or no coverage at all
    I have BC/BS, had it for years for my US needs. Compared to my insurance coverage in Europe it SUCKS!

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