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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    I just had a fascinating convo with a friend in Canada and she asked if we are getting news reports about Trump in Australia (she's still not convinced we have electric lights and indoor plumbing). She was ranting about Trump and how he disgracefully ejected an innocent Mexican migrant from his press conference. I asked her if she saw the whole incident, starting when the guy - known troublemaker Joe Rubio(?) - stood up and interrupted another journo's question and became very belligerent and disruptive when Trump told him to wait for his turn. When he didn't shut up he was escorted out. My friend wasn't aware of that part because the news report she saw had been selectively edited to show Trump in a bad light.
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    I' m waiting for the Donald to get the crowd chanting, "I'm mad as hell, and I don't care who knows it!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    So it's effective to be a bully and tell someone to go back to Univision, a network he is currently fighting in court. No, no bias at all.
    Fun fact about Jorge Ramos: his daughter is working for Hillary's re-election campaign. So, perhaps staged? I did see the whole thing and Ramos was over the top and very rude to the other reporters. Is that normal behavior for him? Seems unlikely given that he IS respected and accomplished. I understand that he surely has a major personal issue with Trump not only because of the pageant lawsuit, but because apparently, he was himself an illegal immigrant for some 25 years before he became a citizen in '08. Obviously he would want to protect others in the same situation.

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    I do not know her history but her husband is in the running for US president, she is the migrant wife of a guy who's against immigration, lived 20 years in US and her English is atrocious (not talking about the accent here) how is that for a first lady?
    I have to make it clear that I have NO problem with any candidate's wife being an immigrant. That goes for Jeb Bush's Mexican wife as well.

    And this is regardless of Trump's position on immigration. You do realize that he states he is only against illegal immigration, not all immigration--right? Many feel that just being against illegal immigration is bad enough, but it is important to recognize the difference, though I still find his deportation idea completely mad.

    Having said all that, yes, I do agree that Melania would be a bizarre First Lady for many reasons. In fact the idea makes me But hey, teenage boys might start taking more of an actual interest in politics....
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    My son was telling me yesterday he read somewhere that if Trump were somehow able to gather all 11 million illegal immigrants and deport them, it would cost something like $118 billion dollars to do so...is he going to pay out of pocket for that to happen?
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    People are right to be focussing on uncontrolled, illegal immigration; have you seen what's happening in Europe at the moment? It's truly shocking and scary and the authorities have no idea how to handle it.
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    We do need a solution but rounding up 11M people and building a wall ain't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moongirl View Post
    My son was telling me yesterday he read somewhere that if Trump were somehow able to gather all 11 million illegal immigrants and deport them, it would cost something like $118 billion dollars to do so...is he going to pay out of pocket for that to happen?
    Speaking of that, a lot of people don't know that there was a massive operation in the US in 1954 ("https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback") that rounded up over 1,000,000 illegal immigrants and repatriated them to Mexico. Ironically, Mexico wanted them back, too, because they had a labor shortage.

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    And this is regardless of Trump's position on immigration. You do realize that he states he is only against illegal immigration, not all immigration--right? Many feel that just being against illegal immigration is bad enough, but it is important to recognize the difference, though I still find his deportation idea completely mad.
    He is for limits on regular immigration, too. This is an example:

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...ks-limit-visas
    Donald Trump on Sunday released his first full policy paper, and the topic was immigration. Certain parts of the plan -- making Mexico pay for a wall on its border with the United States, and ending "birthright" citizenship -- are receiving the most attention. But Trump also touches on visa issues about which many in academe care.
    He said that he wants to make it more difficult for noncitizens to receive H-1B visas, which are awarded to people with specialized skills needed by employers in the U.S. Trump said that "we graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs," and said this would change if employers had to pay higher salaries than they do now to H-1B visa holders.
    The topic of STEM employment rates is much debated, with some agreeing with Trump, and others not. In his plan, he cited an article from the journal Issues in Science and Technology.Many higher education groups have been pushing to grant more H-1B visas. Many universities are employers of H-1B visa holders, and many universities' international students want to obtain the visas.
    Trump's plan also calls for the elimination of J-1 visa program for foreign youth to work in the United States. It is unclear if he is calling for the elimination of the entire program -- parts of which are used at colleges to hire international students and faculty members, generally for short-term programs -- or just the jobs portion. Trump said he would replace the jobs program with a "résumé bank" for young people in inner cities.
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    Australia's borders have a degree of natural protection because it's an island. People have to either fly in or come by boat. We had an influx of "refugees" under the previous Govt who decided to effectively open the borders and allow thousands of (mostly) illegal economic migrants to arrive by boats organised by people smugglers. Most of these people were allowed to stay and become reliant on welfare as few have any useful skills or qualifications. Quite a few were Iranian criminals who were released from prison and sent here to be someone else's problem. This Govt has taken a more robust approach, intercepted illegal boats and forced them back to where they came from, mostly Indonesia. As a result there have been no boat arrivals in over a year, much to the chagrin of the #Offenderati.

    If you want to come and work in Australia you can do so but you have to come via the front door with a firm job offer and a 457 Visa. That system is subject to abuse too but that's another rant.
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    I actually agree with him on the H1B visas. Many tech companies have been, over the past 10-15 years or so, bringing in, particularly, Indian nationals, paying them a 1/4-1/5 of what they pay American workers, make the American workers train them and then fire the whole American department. That is NOT what the H1B visas were intended for.

    There is no way for Americans to compete with that. The immigrants get their higher education for free or for pennies on the dollar and then they come here and work for nothing because what they make here (and mostly send back to their home countries) can make their families back home wealthy by the standards there.

    I remember a big story back in 2004 ( a friend was involved) where about 40 Americans trained an influx of H1B workers and then they were all laid off. It was a pretty big tech company in Hartford I believe. It was quite awhile ago, hard to remember the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    If you want to come and work in Australia you can do so but you have to come via the front door with a firm job offer and a 457 Visa. That system is subject to abuse too but that's another rant.
    I remember being in Melbourne in 2001 and seeing a public service announcement on TV that essentially was advertising for people to come to Australia. Although maybe I imagined it after too much Rosemount Estates...

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    I would love to see Joe Biden in a debate with Trump. He'd be laughing his ass off or flashing those choppers. Regardless, he'd neutralize him very effectively, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    I actually agree with him on the H1B visas. Many tech companies have been, over the past 10-15 years or so, bringing in, particularly, Indian nationals, paying them a 1/4-1/5 of what they pay American workers, make the American workers train them and then fire the whole American department. That is NOT what the H1B visas were intended for.

    There is no way for Americans to compete with that. The immigrants get their higher education for free or for pennies on the dollar and then they come here and work for nothing because what they make here (and mostly send back to their home countries) can make their families back home wealthy by the standards there.

    I remember a big story back in 2004 ( a friend was involved) where about 40 Americans trained an influx of H1B workers and then they were all laid off. It was a pretty big tech company in Hartford I believe. It was quite awhile ago, hard to remember the details.
    My father used to work in Hartford, CT, and from the sounds of it it may have been at that company. He used to worry 24/7 about being fired, as they were bringing in a LOT of Indian workers who would replace the people who trained them. My father used to say that he refused to "train my Indian," because he knew the second he did, he'd be laid off.

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    I'm so confused by Trump and the support he has. A*O is right, IMO, that there are so many average Americans who feel they have to sensor themselves on even moderate issues for fear of being branded intolerant. Trump somehow gets away with saying exactly what he thinks (not to say every conservative agrees on every thing he says) and it's almost a rally cry for those who have had to stifle their opinions, particularly since the advent of social media.

    I think the novelty will wear off and he'll ultimately do some good by giving people the balls to stand up and say what they think. All of that aside, the idea of Trump leading this country scares the ever living shit out of me. I can't imagine he will go the distance. Imagine him trying to negotiate foreign policy. OMG. We'd be leveled within a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    I actually agree with him on the H1B visas. Many tech companies have been, over the past 10-15 years or so, bringing in, particularly, Indian nationals, paying them a 1/4-1/5 of what they pay American workers, make the American workers train them and then fire the whole American department. That is NOT what the H1B visas were intended for.

    There is no way for Americans to compete with that. The immigrants get their higher education for free or for pennies on the dollar and then they come here and work for nothing because what they make here (and mostly send back to their home countries) can make their families back home wealthy by the standards there.

    I remember a big story back in 2004 ( a friend was involved) where about 40 Americans trained an influx of H1B workers and then they were all laid off. It was a pretty big tech company in Hartford I believe. It was quite awhile ago, hard to remember the details.
    My husband's company is going through this exact same thing except with workers from India. His company brought in a ton of Indian workers and his group had to train them. He knew he was training his replacement. Their workplace has laid off 125 (out of about 400) people in the last two years. About the same number have left for another job. Not a single position left open has been filled by an American.

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    I didn't realize Indian workers were coming stateside.

    My company has a large workforce in India. There is constant push to find things to offshore. The leadership isn't even subtle about it. It's an annual target for each department. You WILL move work to India.
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