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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    So since doctors, nurses and other health care professionals in Canada are under government contract, don't they make substantially less than if they were to work for private profit-based companies? And if so, is there a problem attracting the best of the best to these jobs?
    There is a bit of a brain drain, bu not an unsustainable one. I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that they have to practice for a number of years up here before they can hightail it.

    When I was in the AP (Advanced Placement) classes in high school, one of my teachers was always trying to talk her students into going into teaching because she said because of the low salaries (compared to other professional jobs), "the best and the brightest" did not typically want to go into teaching, they wanted jobs where they would be paid more, so they tend toward other professional careers.

    So is it more likely that you have doctors in Canada that made C's in med school or went to med school in the Bahamas?
    Erm no, see above. Also, foreign credentials mean absolutely squat up here.. we have PhD's driving cabs for gods sake. It's one of the things they're trying to rectify through testing. A lot of people immigrate here and then find their credentials and education aren't recognized
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    There is a bit of a brain drain, bu not an unsustainable one. I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that they have to practice for a number of years up here before they can hightail it.
    Please clarify this...you mean that if you attend medical school in Canada you are required to practice medicine in Canada for a set amount of time before you can leave to practice in another country? You can't get a medical degree in Canada and work in the U.S.? Could you get a medical degree elsewhere (France) and move to Canada and be a doctor?

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    1) Yes, i believe there is a set amount of time you have to practice in Canada.. 2 or 3 years or somesuch. Again, I could be wrong but I think that's how it works.

    2) I think it depends where your qualifications have been obtained.. ie: no doctor who got his degree in Botswana or something is going to be recognized here without Canadian certification. France, the US, and other G8 industrialized nations probably have an easier time of it considering there's a large amount of standardization.. But we have a lot of Indian PhD's and such that are not recognized here, and have to go to school once they arrive. If they can't afford it, well.. they get what jobs they can. It's a bit sad really.
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    Yes, i believe there is a set amount of time you have to practice in Canada.. 2 or 3 years or somesuch. Again, I could be wrong but I think that's how it works.
    Does the government also pay for your medical degree before forcing you into contract serfdom for several years? We have programs here where if you agree to teach in a rural county for a certain number of years, the government will pay for your degree.

    Otherwise, WTF? That's...that's...UnAmerican!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    Try to go get you some of that while working.
    You have to be a dead beat to actually qualify.

    Not sure I understand. Medicare is for seniors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotncmom View Post
    Does the government also pay for your medical degree before forcing you into contract serfdom for several years?
    No, but you have to participate in the system for a couple years before you get your certification that allows you to go elsewhere, I believe.

    We have programs here where if you agree to teach in a rural county for a certain number of years, the government will pay for your degree.
    I think they have much the same here.. there's always a shortage of rural doctors (especially up north in the hinterland) and I believe large incentives are offered.

    Otherwise, WTF? That's...that's...UnAmerican!!!
    Why yes, yes it is
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    ^^She means Medicaid. And yes, you have to be dirt poor. You have to have only about $1000-1500 or so in assets to qualify.

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    The insurance industry is corrupt, plain and simple.

    Even many who have employer provided insurance are seeing larger chunks of their income going to premiums. If someone within the company has a large family or a member of their plan who has chronic illness, those premiums can jump several times in one year, with copays rising and coverages being lowered, and the company will pass those premium increases on to the employees, who are now getting less for more.

    The health insurance companies should have been run out of town a long time ago. They are a part of the reason for the high cost of medical treatment.

    Socialize it. I'd rather live longer in better health with socialistic health structure than be frail and unable to obtain basic care with shady, cheap, conniving insurance backing me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Quazar View Post
    Not sure I understand. Medicare is for seniors.
    Medicare/medicaid....it's all listed together. Medicaid is for dead beats that have babies and the state pays for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    Medicare/medicaid....it's all listed together. Medicaid is for dead beats that have babies and the state pays for them.

    No - they're not all the same. Medicare is for everyone - once you reach a certain age. You can supplement with other insurance plans but everyone is eligible. While the system does have problems - it ensures that everyone has a decent standard of care. I believe that this is a good thing. If you are diagnosed with a serious illness - the last thing you need to worry about is how you are going to pay the bill. And once you are diagnosed with that serious illness - forget about getting any reasonable health insurance in the future.

    If government run plans are abused - it's up to the government to police it. Abuse should not ruin it for the tens of millions of people who would use the system fairly.

    Insurance companies really have no business being involved in medical care. They are a business, that is unesscessary, and will do whatever they need to do to perform for their stockholders. We are better off taking the money we pay in premiums and put it in a bank account to use for medical expenses when we need it. In a government-run system - we can take the premium money and pay it in taxes.

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    ^ I know they are two different types of benefits, but in the PI work that I do, it's always listed as Medicaid/Medicare. That's where the confusion came in. Sorry.

    I understand the differences in applying and being granted benefits. Also, yes everyone can get benefits after a certain age, however, if your insurance pays, or you receive settlements you have to pay back medicare. We just paid back over $46,000.00 for one client, and they are still wanting more.

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    In here we have government run health care and then private health-care. The government one is basically free and usually slower, depending what kind of medical condition you have. If you need medical assistance right away, you will of course get it but if you have a condition that isn't critical, then it's going to take longer. Private hospitals cost ALOT but they are faster.

    The doctors are pretty much equally good, private hospitals have more older doctors who bring experience, government ones have probably 50-50 new and old ones. I have been to some shitty private doctors as well, paid 70 euros for a 5 minute session, where the guy basically just shrugged to all of my questions, took one look at my ears and throat and that was that. Then again one doctor on the government health-care took really good care of me, so yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    1) Yes, i believe there is a set amount of time you have to practice in Canada.. 2 or 3 years or somesuch. Again, I could be wrong but I think that's how it works.

    2) I think it depends where your qualifications have been obtained.. ie: no doctor who got his degree in Botswana or something is going to be recognized here without Canadian certification. France, the US, and other G8 industrialized nations probably have an easier time of it considering there's a large amount of standardization.. But we have a lot of Indian PhD's and such that are not recognized here, and have to go to school once they arrive. If they can't afford it, well.. they get what jobs they can. It's a bit sad really.
    Canada recognizes the 5th Pathway program. It's an additional year of training for any medical student (Must be a Canadian/US citizen, resident alien or visa holder) who has attended a WHO recognized medical school. The student leaves early, does a year in the States or Canada and upon completion receives a certificate. Your doctor might not be a "doctor", techincally the person isn't an MD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevellingInSane View Post
    The insurance industry is corrupt, plain and simple.

    Even many who have employer provided insurance are seeing larger chunks of their income going to premiums. If someone within the company has a large family or a member of their plan who has chronic illness, those premiums can jump several times in one year, with copays rising and coverages being lowered, and the company will pass those premium increases on to the employees, who are now getting less for more.

    The health insurance companies should have been run out of town a long time ago. They are a part of the reason for the high cost of medical treatment.

    Socialize it. I'd rather live longer in better health with socialistic health structure than be frail and unable to obtain basic care with shady, cheap, conniving insurance backing me.
    Yeah, my husband's company (who we have insurance through) just raised its premiums for its members for the 2009/2010 year. Our plan only jumped about $20 but some of the other plans are just virtually unbelievable, we could never afford it. We pay about $326 a month for insurance premiums, the company pays about 3/4 of the total premium. We have HMO and we've had really good care, we can't complain about that. We pay $15 copays and we have two semi-major surgeries coming up that will only cost us $30 total. We've used it quite a bit since we've been back and considering what we WOULD have paid without insurance, we can't really see fit to complain too much. But we are in drastic need of health insurance reform in this country. We had temporary insurance when we were out of work and just came back to the US, I had one emergency room visit that was unpreventable and now we are still in debt. Insurance only covered about $200 of a huge bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetie View Post
    ^ I know they are two different types of benefits, but in the PI work that I do, it's always listed as Medicaid/Medicare. That's where the confusion came in. Sorry.

    I understand the differences in applying and being granted benefits. Also, yes everyone can get benefits after a certain age, however, if your insurance pays, or you receive settlements you have to pay back medicare. We just paid back over $46,000.00 for one client, and they are still wanting more.
    You're welcome .

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