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    Will Obama's baptismal state have an effect on whether he DIES while in office?
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    Another thing that pisses me off - for arguments sake so what if Obama is a Muslim- actually if he was then it would be good thing because here you have an articulate and intelligent man who actually wants to engage for negotiations. It would be a good thing as a foil for the Islamists nuts that not only the American public have elected a Muslim but someone who could be seen as fair and balanced- it would definitely help to take away the hot air and resentment that is buiding in the Muslim world.

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    The only thing Repubs have to say about Obama is generic, subjective, unproven, personal attacks. Like implying he's "not American enough", "not patriotic enough", "too liberal". All based on scare tactics to make ignorant Americans think that he's out to get "us". What are you guys afraid he's going to do? Really!?

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    I dont think he cant do as much damage as the Bush admin has done the last 8 years!!!!

    That is what I cannot understand- here is a guy who actually understands what he is talking about but its the fear of the unknown- Its due to this, which is why they have attacked him so harshly especially since they cant find anything damning on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ana-mish-ana View Post
    Another thing that pisses me off - for arguments sake so what if Obama is a Muslim- actually if he was then it would be good thing because here you have an articulate and intelligent man who actually wants to engage for negotiations. It would be a good thing as a foil for the Islamists nuts that not only the American public have elected a Muslim but someone who could be seen as fair and balanced- it would definitely help to take away the hot air and resentment that is buiding in the Muslim world.
    It's the religious right that Obama talks about in his book:

    "a movement that insists not only that Christianity is America's dominant faith, but that a particular, fundamentalist brand of that faith should drive public policy, overriding any alternative source of understanding, whether the writings of liberal theologians, the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, or the words of Thomas Jefferson"

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    ^^ I know and that is what so sad and ironic is that these fundamentalists share ALOT in common with the Islamic ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    I'm sure you're aware that Obama hasn't released his health records, either, right?

    I also want to see an authentic Obama birth certificate, not the proven fake by Kos or FactCheck. I also want to see Obama's certificate of baptism. He says he's a Christian... PROVE it.
    Oh come on, TKD surely you can do much better than this? Usually you provide for very articulate insight, I can't believe you would post such drivel. And why would every Christian have a certificate of baptism? I don't. I guess that most people would figure me for a Muslim, then? Your religion is a matter of personal faith, not whats written on a piece of paper. Thats really below you.
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    ^^ I just thought of Bobby Jindall- He was born from an Indian Hindu family but he is an evangelical Christian.
    I find it really interesting here is a guy who is a republican but his faith isnt questioned because of his background like Obama's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkdgirl View Post
    I'm sure you're aware that Obama hasn't released his health records, either, right?

    I also want to see an authentic Obama birth certificate, not the proven fake by Kos or FactCheck. I also want to see Obama's certificate of baptism. He says he's a Christian... PROVE it.
    I understand that it's been a very bad few weeks for your candidate, but what would a candidate's religion have to do with fitness for office? Health, on the other hand directly impacts fitness and ability to govern. How do you prove Christianity anyway?

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    See, some churches hand out certificates after you're baptized saying you're saved, I mean the date of your baptism, who performed the services etc..
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    NY Times
    By ADAM LIPTAK
    Published: July 11, 2008
    In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.”
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    A 1936 picture shows the future presidential candidate John McCain in the arms of his grandfather John Sidney McCain in the Canal Zone. His father, John Sidney McCain Jr., is at left.



    The analysis, by Prof. Gabriel J. Chin, focused on a 1937 law that has been largely overlooked in the debate over Mr. McCain’s eligibility to be president. The law conferred citizenship on children of American parents born in the Canal Zone after 1904, and it made John McCain a citizen just before his first birthday. But the law came too late, Professor Chin argued, to make Mr. McCain a natural-born citizen.
    “It’s preposterous that a technicality like this can make a difference in an advanced democracy,” Professor Chin said. “But this is the constitutional text that we have.”
    Several legal experts said that Professor Chin’s analysis was careful and plausible. But they added that nothing was very likely to follow from it.
    “No court will get close to it, and everyone else is on board, so there’s a constitutional consensus, the merits of arguments such as this one aside,” said Peter J. Spiro, an authority on the law of citizenship at Temple University.
    Mr. McCain has dismissed any suggestion that he does not meet the citizenship test.
    In April, the Senate approved a nonbinding resolution declaring that Mr. McCain is eligible to be president. Its sponsors said the nation’s founders would have never intended to deny the presidency to the offspring of military personnel stationed out of the country.
    A lawsuit challenging Mr. McCain’s qualifications is pending in the Federal District Court in Concord, N.H.
    There are, Professor Chin argued in his analysis, only two ways to become a natural-born citizen. One, specified in the Constitution, is to be born in the United States. The other way is to be covered by a law enacted by Congress at the time of one’s birth.
    Professor Chin wrote that simply being born in the Canal Zone did not satisfy the 14th Amendment, which says that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”
    A series of early-20th-century decisions known as the Insular Cases, he wrote, ruled that unincorporated territories acquired by the United States were not part of the nation for constitutional purposes. The Insular Cases did not directly address the Canal Zone. But the zone was generally considered an unincorporated territory before it was returned to Panama in 1999, and some people born in the Canal Zone when it was under American jurisdiction have been deported from the United States or convicted of being here illegally.
    The second way Mr. McCain could have, and ultimately did, become a citizen was by statute, Professor Chin wrote. In Rogers v. Bellei in 1971, the Supreme Court said Congress had broad authority to decide whether and when children born to American citizens abroad are citizens.
    At the time of Mr. McCain’s birth, the relevant law granted citizenship to any child born to an American parent “out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States.” Professor Chin said the term “limits and jurisdiction” left a crucial gap. The Canal Zone was beyond the limits of the United States but not beyond its jurisdiction, and thus the law did not apply to Mr. McCain.
    In 1937, Congress addressed the problem, enacting a law that granted citizenship to people born in the Canal Zone after 1904. That made Mr. McCain a citizen, but not one who was naturally born, Professor Chin said, because the citizenship was conferred after his birth.
    In his paper and in an interview, Professor Chin, a registered Democrat, said he had no political motive in raising the question.
    In March, Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard and an adviser to Senator Barack Obama, prepared a memorandum on these questions with Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general in the Bush administration. The memorandum concluded that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen based on the place of his birth, the citizenship of his parents and their service to the country.
    In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Olson, whose firm represents Mr. McCain in the New Hampshire lawsuit, said Congress could not have intended to leave the gap described by Professor Chin. The 1937 law, Mr. Olson said, was not a fix but a way to clarify what Congress had meant all along.
    Professor Tribe agreed. Reading the “limits and jurisdiction” clause as Professor Chin does, Professor Tribe said, “is to attribute a crazy design to Congress” that “would create an irrational gap.”
    Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, said the campaign concurred and was confident Mr. McCain is eligible to serve.
    In the motion to dismiss the New Hampshire suit, Mr. McCain’s lawyers said an individual citizen like the plaintiff, a Nashua man named Fred Hollander, lacks proof of direct injury and cannot sue.
    Daniel P. Tokaji, an election law expert at Ohio State University, agreed. “It is awfully unlikely that a federal court would say that an individual voter has standing,” he said. “It is questionable whether anyone would have standing to raise that claim. You’d have to think a federal court would look for every possible way to avoid deciding the issue.”
    Carl Hulse contributed reporting.

    And by God, that McCain fellow hasn't produced his Baptismal records either. And I think he neglected to have a flag pin on his lapel during the debate. Can we now dispense with the absurdity and discuss things that affect the fitness of these men to serve as President, their positions on the actual issues?

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    hah, he's not even american.
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    But he is POW!!!

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    I don't need to see papers to believe that Obama is Christian.

    Would I care if Barack turned out to really be Muslim? No... not from the religion aspect anyways.

    But it would concern me that he outright lied about it.

    I'm certainly not going to waste time thinking about his baptism certificate or his medical records either!



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    Yes, a Panamanian POW.

    Something else to add to his distinguished list of foreign policy experiences.

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