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    Wednesday, March 25, 2009 09:56 PDT
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    Thought you could snark away recent efforts to establish the "personhood" of a fertilized egg with a couple of North Dakota jokes? Think again. The "personhood" movement is gaining quasi-hip grass-roots momentum. Legislators in five states have introduced bills that would grant constitutional rights to the "pre-born" from the moment of fertilization; bills have already passed not just the North Dakota assembly but also the Montana Senate (and petition drives are reportedly under way, or close to it, in Oregon and Mississippi). (Colorado: FAIL.) "We won't rest until every state recognizes that pre-born babies are persons, just like you and me," says one activist in the introductory video on Personhood USA's pre-spell-checked Web site. (In a sloppy/sly sleight of rights, the video also passes off the Declaration of Independence as the U.S. Constitution.)

    We all know that establishing the "personhood" of microscopic Americans is a means of characterizing abortion -- legally, and even culturally -- as murder. Though the Supreme Court decision making abortion legal turns largely on the right to privacy, it also notes -- in an aside that has become anything but -- that if fetuses were "people," they would be entitled to protection under the 14th Amendment, ergo entitled to "life." The Center for Women Policy Studies has stated that "legislative efforts to establish fetal patienthood, victimhood and, therefore, personhood represent the primary threat to Roe v. Wade."

    But as the National Advocates for Pregnant Women point out in a brand-new video, they also represent a threat to pregnant women -- all pregnant women, including those who plan to carry to term.

    One example: Angela Carder, a Clarksville, Md., woman featured in the video, became critically ill at 25 weeks pregnant. Her family and physician all agreed to carry out her wishes and keep her alive as long as possible -- but her hospital called an emergency hearing to determine the rights of the fetus. A court held that the fetus' right to life outweighed its mother's, and ordered a C-section despite the fact that the surgery could kill Carder. The operation was performed, and neither one survived.

    Also: A Florida woman wanted to have a VBAC (vaginal birth after Cesarean) for her second child. No hospital would do it. She opted for home birth. While she was in active labor, there came a knock on the door. Nope, not her doula: the state's attorney and sheriff had come to take her into custody -- and to a hospital. Strapped to a gurney, she was forced to undergo a C-section. From the video: "When this woman, who vehemently opposes abortion, argued that her right to informed medical decision-making, bodily integrity, due process, and liberty had been violated, she was told that fetal rights outweigh hers." (She went on to have three more children, all vaginally.) (Note to video scriptwriter: Please use the medically accurate "vaginally" rather than the value-laden "naturally.")

    Bonus: A Utah woman who gave birth to twins, one stillborn, was arrested on murder charges based on the claim that she was responsible for the death because she'd refused a C-section two weeks earlier. Cited: Utah's feticide law, designed -- like personhood laws -- to protect the fetus from the moment of conception.

    Bottom line: Personhood laws deprive pregnant women of the right to make informed decisions not just about abortion, but also about childbirth (even, irony alert, when those decisions may turn out to be in the best interest of the post-born child). But hey, we knew "personhood" didn't apply to us in the first place.
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    A court held that the fetus' right to life outweighed its mother's, and ordered a C-section despite the fact that the surgery could kill Carder. The operation was performed, and neither one survived.

    WTF??? What next? Let's give dirt voting rights while we're at it.
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    *chuckles* how absurd. Your country is doing its best to slide back into the dark ages.

    If this goes through, PEOPLE WILL STILL HAVE ABORTIONS.. they'll just use back alley coat hangar services and more people will die.. but that's ok, cuz if someone is trying to kill their microscopic person, they deserve to die.. they're also sluts for opening their legs, dontcha know. They shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Jesus doesn't approve.
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    A Utah woman who gave birth to twins, one stillborn, was arrested on murder charges based on the claim that she was responsible for the death because she'd refused a C-section two weeks earlier.
    What the hell is this "cuntry" coming to?

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    it's turning into a theocracy run by fundamentalist retards.
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

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    That is absurd

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    Quote Originally Posted by KandyKorn View Post

    WTF??? What next? Let's give dirt voting rights while we're at it.

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    Guys, you're really starting to scare me over there.

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    This just chaps me-what complete idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katerpillar View Post
    Guys, you're really starting to scare me over there.
    Trust me - we're not all llike this. Don't be afraid.

    Fortunately we have the ability to move to another state if we don't agree with its laws.

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    this is so absurd it almost sounds like a joke....

    As a woman, my right to life far outweighs the life of my fetus...sorry.

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    Bonus: A Utah woman who gave birth to twins, one stillborn, was arrested on murder charges based on the claim that she was responsible for the death because she'd refused a C-section two weeks earlier

    WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    *chuckles* how absurd. Your country is doing its best to slide back into the dark ages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post

    If this goes through, PEOPLE WILL STILL HAVE ABORTIONS.. they'll just use back alley coat hangar services and more people will die.. but that's ok, cuz if someone is trying to kill their microscopic person, they deserve to die.. they're also sluts for opening their legs, dontcha know. They shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Jesus doesn't approve.


    In other words, what the neocons refer to as 'the good old days'.
    Only the good die young.........................
    bitches like me live forever!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    bingo!
    I am from the American CIA and I have a radio in my head. I am going to kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Also: A Florida woman wanted to have a VBAC (vaginal birth after Cesarean) for her second child. No hospital would do it. She opted for home birth. While she was in active labor, there came a knock on the door. Nope, not her doula: the state's attorney and sheriff had come to take her into custody -- and to a hospital. Strapped to a gurney, she was forced to undergo a C-section. From the video: "When this woman, who vehemently opposes abortion, argued that her right to informed medical decision-making, bodily integrity, due process, and liberty had been violated, she was told that fetal rights outweigh hers." (She went on to have three more children, all vaginally.) (Note to video scriptwriter: Please use the medically accurate "vaginally" rather than the value-laden "naturally.")
    I can't believe a doctor would agree to ago against a patients wishes so blanantly. Isn't that completely against patients rights?

    Also, they moved a woman in active labor. What if something had gone wrong on the way to to hospital and she had given birth - god forbid - vaginally??? There could have been a number of consequences to them moving her.

    This is completely moronic. As a woman who recently gave birth I would be horrified is the state came to my door and told me how I had to do it. F-you, I'll do it the way I want to, thanks very much!

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