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    The next US census, to be carried out next year, will not ask about sexual orientation or recognise gay marriages, civil unions and domestic partnerships.
    If two men or two women who live together list themselves as husband and husband, or wife and wife, they will be counted as unmarried partners.
    The federal Defence of Marriage Act, signed in 1996 by President Bill Clinton, does not recognise gay unions sanctioned by states.
    US Census Bureau spokeswoman Cynthia Endo said: "This is all about the numbers. This not about lifestyle or anything else."
    Sharon Raphael, a sociologist who lives with her partner Mina Meyer, told the Press-Telegram: "Certain numbers of us are not out, and when they hide us under these general descriptions … it just makes us more invisible."
    "We should be treated the same. First of all, it's just not good science to leave us out for some dumb political reason."
    Gary Gates, a demographer at the UCLA School of Law, said that federal law limits census questions to topics for which there is funding, such as income's influence on poverty funding.
    There is not a federal funding category for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered, or LGBT, communities..
    He added that the situation is a "classic catch-22″ because it is hard to properly assess needs of a group that has not been counted.
    Tracy Clark-Flory of Salon.com argued that including such information "could inject some potent political power into the lesbian, gay and transgender community".
    She added that the results of the census are used by the federal government to make spending decisions on areas such as healthcare.
    However, census questions cannot be changed without an act of Congress. As Congress must approve questions no later than two years in advance of the survey, it is too late to change the 2010 count.
    The next UK national census will be held on 27th March 2011. For the first time the marital status question will include a civil partnership option, but there will not be a question on sexual orientation.

    2010 US census ‘will not include gays’ - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News

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    This is a nonsensical article. The primary purpose of the census is for congressional districts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    This is a nonsensical article. The primary purpose of the census is for congressional districts.
    True, but the data is used for many other purposes. It's the most reliable data on the US population. It's not solely a head count. Many studies and other surveys rely on the Census data for their numbers as well. It affects a lot more than just congressional districts.
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    But this is still key:
    Gary Gates, a demographer at the UCLA School of Law, said that federal law limits census questions to topics for which there is funding, such as income's influence on poverty funding.

    There is not a federal funding category for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered, or LGBT, communities.
    There's not much being asked by the census this time around.
    The 2010 Census will be a short-form only census and will count all residents living in the United States as well as ask for name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, relationship and housing tenure – taking just minutes to complete.
    2010 Census: 2010 Census is Different
    Much of the other demographic information you're thinking of that has been taken in years past is being done in a different manner.

    Researchers still should be able to use this for some estimates:
    If two men or two women who live together list themselves as husband and husband, or wife and wife, they will be counted as unmarried partners.

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    anytime Obama wants to repeal DOMA and DATD.. tick tock... but wait, it needs to be "studied", ie shoved on the backburner till the sun goes nova.. uhuh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    There's not much being asked by the census this time around.
    Much of the other demographic information you're thinking of that has been taken in years past is being done in a different manner.
    I am aware that the long form questionnaire has gone the way of the dodo; however, that does not eliminate my point. Even though there is less data collected than in previous censuses, that does not lower the importance or the fact that these numbers are used by a wide variety of private and other government surveys.

    [Researchers still should be able to use this for some estimates:
    If two men or two women who live together list themselves as husband and husband, or wife and wife, they will be counted as unmarried partners.
    That can address the civil union/marriage/couple issue; however, it won't give us an accurate representation of how much of the population is actually homosexual. It'd be nice to have some actual data to show that it is 10% or so of our population, or however it is generally estimated. You know, for all those people who are in denial that they actually exist.
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    ^Then the goal should be to get it on the American Community Survey then.

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    After looking at the 2010 Census form, I'm not entirely sure this statement is accurate.
    The next US census, to be carried out next year, will not ask about sexual orientation or recognise gay marriages, civil unions and domestic partnerships.
    If two men or two women who live together list themselves as husband and husband, or wife and wife, they will be counted as unmarried partners.
    The federal Defence of Marriage Act, signed in 1996 by President Bill Clinton, does not recognise gay unions sanctioned by states.
    Yes, there is no question on the census pertaining to sexual orientation. However, gay marriage is legal in Connecticut, so gay marriages in that state would be recognized. There's nothing on the Census form prohibiting two women married in Connecticut marking both the "female" and "husband or wife" boxes. Same for two men in that state.

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    Thought the whole purpose of census asking personal questions was to gather statistics.
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    Thumbs up Census 2010 to Report Same-Sex Marriage Data

    Census 2010 to Report Same-Sex Marriage Data

    Updated 3:46 p.m. ET

    The Census Bureau will for the first time publicly release the number of gay marriages reported in a decennial census, as it plans to release raw data about same-sex relationships in the 2010 headcount, according to new guidelines released today.

    The decision reverses a Bush-era policy that prohibited the release of the data. In a legal opinion published last week, Commerce Department lawyers concluded that the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act does not prohibit the Census Bureau from publicly releasing the data, contrary to the conclusions reached by Bush administration lawyers.

    Continuing current policy, the new guidelines state that software used by Census enumerators will recode answers given by same sex-partners who mark their relationship status as "husband or wife," to "unmarried partner." But then, in late 2011, Census officials will for the first time release the raw state-by-state data on same-sex couples that marked their relationship status as "husband or wife."

    The new policy marks a continued shift in how the Census handles declarations of same-sex partnerships. In 1990, enumerators made a practice of changing the sex of a person described as the husband or wife of a head of household to reflect the opposite sex. In 2000, the bureau instead edited the data to describe same-sex couples as "unmarried partners.”

    The Census will first report same-sex marriage data later this year when it releases the 2008 American Community Survey. The results of the annual housing and population survey will include unedited responses regarding relationship status.

    The policy change is considered a victory by gay rights groups frustrated by the Obama administration's response to their concerns about various discriminatory policies. Though President Obama extended some benefits to the gay partners of federal employees in June, gay rights leaders blasted the administration for filing a federal court brief in defense of DOMA earlier this year and are upset that Obama has yet to repeal the military "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.

    Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.), one of several lawmakers who pushed Obama to release the Census data, called today's announcement, "a great step forward," but added in a statement that "we have many more to go toward achieving full equality for the LGBT [Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Transgender] community and all Americans."

    Today's announcement adds to the historic nature of next year's Census, which already promises to be the largest and most expensive in American history. It will cost at least $14 billion and require the hiring of about 1 million temporary workers.

    Federal Eye - Census 2010 to Report Same-Sex Marriage Data

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