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    Question Why is anybody, especially Barack Obama, listening to Republicans?

    What’s up with the Republicans?

    Have they no sense that their policies have sent the country hurtling down the road to ruin? Are they so divorced from reality that in their delusionary state they honestly believe we need more of their tax cuts for the rich and their other forms of plutocratic irresponsibility, the very things that got us to this deplorable state?

    The G.O.P.’s latest campaign is aimed at undermining President Obama’s effort to cope with the national economic emergency by attacking the spending in his stimulus package and repeating ad nauseam the Republican mantra for ever more tax cuts.

    “Right now, given the concerns that we have over the size of this package and all the spending in this package, we don’t think it’s going to work,” said Representative John Boehner, an Ohio Republican who is House minority leader. Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mr. Boehner said of the plan: “Put me down in the ‘no’ column.”

    If anything, the stimulus package is not large enough. Less than 24 hours after Mr. Boehner’s televised exercise in obstructionism, the heavy-equipment company Caterpillar announced that it was cutting 20,000 jobs, Sprint Nextel said it was eliminating 8,000, and Home Depot 7,000.

    Maybe the Republicans don’t think there is an emergency. After all, it was Phil Gramm, John McCain’s economic guru, who told us last summer that the pain was all in our heads, that this was a “mental recession.”

    The truth, of course, is that the country is hemorrhaging jobs and Americans are heading to the poorhouse by the millions. The stock markets and the value of the family home have collapsed, and there is virtual across-the-board agreement that the country is caught up in the worst economic disaster since at least World War II.

    The Republican answer to this turmoil?

    Tax cuts.

    They need to go into rehab.

    The question that I would like answered is why anyone listens to this crowd anymore. G.O.P. policies have been an absolute backbreaker for the middle class. (Forget the poor. Nobody talks about them anymore, not even the Democrats.) The G.O.P. has successfully engineered a wholesale redistribution of wealth to those already at the top of the income ladder and then, in a remarkable display of chutzpah, dared anyone to talk about class warfare.

    A stark example of this unholy collaboration between the G.O.P. and the very wealthy was on display in the pages of this newspaper on Jan. 18. The Times’s Mike McIntire wrote an article about the first wave of federal bailout money for the financial industry, which was handed over by the Bush administration with hardly any strings attached. (Congress, under the control of the Democrats, should never have allowed this to happen, but the Democrats are as committed to fecklessness as the Republicans are to tax cuts.)

    The public was told that the money would be used to loosen the frozen credit markets and thus help revive the economy. But as the article pointed out, there were bankers with other ideas. John C. Hope III, the chairman of the Whitney National Bank in New Orleans, in an address to Wall Street fat cats gathered at the Palm Beach Ritz-Carlton, said:

    “Make more loans? We’re not going to change our business model or our credit policies to accommodate the needs of the public sector as they see it to have us make more loans.”

    How’s that for arrogance and contempt for the public interest? Mr. Hope’s bank received $300 million in taxpayer bailout money.

    The same article quoted Walter M. Pressey, president of Boston Private Wealth Management, which Mr. McIntire described as a healthy bank with a mostly affluent clientele. It received $154 million in taxpayer money.

    “With that capital in hand,” said Mr. Pressey, “not only do we feel comfortable that we can ride out the recession, but we also feel that we’ll be in a position to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves once this recession is sorted out.”

    Take advantage, indeed. That, in a nutshell, is what the plutocracy is all about: taking unfair advantage.

    When the G.O.P. talks, nobody should listen. Republicans have argued, with the collaboration of much of the media, that they could radically cut taxes while simultaneously balancing the federal budget, when, in fact, big income-tax cuts inevitably lead to big budget deficits. We listened to the G.O.P. and what do we have now? A trillion-dollar-plus deficit and an economy in shambles.

    This is the party that preached fiscal discipline and then cut taxes in time of war. This is the party that still wants to put the torch to Social Security and Medicare. This is a party that, given a choice between Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, would choose Ronald Reagan in a heartbeat.

    Why is anyone still listening?

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    well, if the country went to shit when bush was in office and the democrats had no say, then clearly the republicans have no say now, right? I mean, isn't that how it works?
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    that's how it should, but Dems are a spineless lot who cave quite frequently because of 2 things:

    1) They don't know how to control the message. They always get assraped, and then do nothing while they get blamed for whatever went wrong

    2) They're scared of being called mean names.
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    From what they were saying on the news, the Dems already have enough votes to pass the package, but they just want to have some Republicans on board, too. Probably, so Republicans can't try to run against them in the mid-term elections using the stimulus package if they voted for it, too.

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    Wednesday January 28, 2009 12:50 EST
    Democrats: The party of business

    I don't think MSNBC did this purposely, but the network's set up for President Obama's speech Wednesday morning was priceless. It featured GOP Rep. Jim Gerlach explaining why he's "leaning against" Obama's stimulus and recovery plan, while the CEOs of IBM and Honeywell were praising it in a split-screen shot.

    So far Obama is playing stimulus politics very well, and Wednesday morning was perfect. It was great to see him defending his recovery plan's long-term goals -- against GOP demands that money go to "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects and tax cuts -- in front of a crowd of business leaders who likewise praised his commitment to a greener, wired, 21st century economy.

    "But even as this plan puts Americans back to work today, it will also make those critical investments in alternative energy and safer roads, better healthcare and modern schools that will lay the foundation for long-term growth and prosperity," Obama told the admiring group. "And it will invest in broadband and emerging technologies, like the ones imagined and introduced to the world by people like [IBM CEO] Sam Palmisano and so many of the CEOs here today. Because that is how America will retain and regain its competitive edge in the 21st century."

    There will likely be more compromise on the recovery package. I wasn't surprised to see contraception funding and money for National Mall rehabilitation tossed out of the bill. A few more things may get cut.

    But Obama doesn't look like he's trying for 80 votes in the Senate anymore, as one of his aides once foolishly said earlier this month; he looks like he's wielding his electoral mandate for change, and he should. And he and his staff are mostly ignoring John Boehner's House Republicans, who seem determined to make their party irrelevant with their sloganeering and obstruction while the economy falls apart.

    There was a little too much pandering to the CEOs for my taste, of course. I wasn't thrilled when Obama blamed the economy's troubles on "a sense of irresponsibility that prevailed from Wall Street to Washington" and then said the burden for recovery will fall on "executives and factory floor workers, educators and engineers, healthcare professionals and elected officials."

    I'd like the burden to fall heaviest on those responsible for this mess, some of them probably in Obama's audience this morning. But that's not realistic politics.

    After the speech, MSNBC's Pat Buchanan asked, "Was that Barack Obama or Ronald Reagan?" Buchanan tried to make the case that Obama's speech was "very conservative," because he also promised to root out government waste -- as though waste were a liberal value. But what Buchanan was really praising was Obama's Reaganesque grasp of politics and pageantry. He's trying to make Democrats the party of business and prosperity, and he looks like he's succeeding. It's going to be fun to watch the House Republicans now.

    -- Joan Walsh

    Democrats: The party of business - Joan Walsh - Salon.com

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    *raises an eyebrow*

    Then he should explain all the givaways the Rethugs wanted that he included in his stupid plan. He wanted to appease them and failed. Frankly, he should strip them all back out.
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    Scared of being called mean names? "Terrorist sympathizer", "pinko commie lover", "socialist", there isn't anything that could be further said to make a Democrat wince.

    What Democrats are 'afraid' of? Being called unpatriotic or not supporting the troops. We went into Iraq because nobody in the congress wanted to be accused of not supporting the troops.

    And why is Obama listening to Republicans? Bipartisan promises.

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    Yeah, bipartisan promises only work when the other side is willing.

    THEY AREN'T.

    So throw that crap out the window and fucking steamroll them.
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