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    Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are clearly among the breed of Republicans who refuse to believe that Conservatism failed -- rather, that the GOP failed Conservatism. And so their solution for party renewal is to just go back to embracing the policies and ideas that brought the nation to the brink of economic and diplomatic ruin.

    They don't seem to realize yet that the country has turned the page and moved on. And so they rage, rage against the fall of right-wing night. Last night's second part of Hannity's interview with Limbaugh really was more a pathetic display of hapless and unhappy impotence.

    It has all the usual Limbaugh flourishes.

    White Identity Politics:

    Limbaugh: The Republican Party is making a big -- the Conservative movement, too, making a big, big mistake in planning for the future. You hear things like, well, the Republican Party needs to identify the middle class, the Wal-Mart voters, and come up with policies for them. And then we've got to come up with policies for Hispanics, because they hate us because of illegal immigration. That's the way the Democrats do it. You put people into groups and then you victimize them. And give the victims power over the majority. Because they then have grievances that are nonexistent, and the majority gets cowed into fear, because they don't want to be complained at, they don't want to be blamed, so 'OK, OK, you want health care, fine, we'll go get it."

    [Did you know that minorities' grievances were actually nonexistent? Neither did I! Did you know that liberals -- and not racists and gay bashers -- actually victimize the minorities they champion? Me neither! Boy, ya learn something new from Rush each time out, dontcha?]

    Malarkey Mythos:

    Limbaugh: Self interest is different than selfishness. People working in their own self-interest benefits the family, the neighborhood, the community, the state, the city, the whole bit. And this is what I think the Republican Party and Conservatism has lost. The blueprint for landslide electoral victories right there, and the Republican Party and the Conservative movement has just -- they've washed it away.

    Planet Bizarro-Style Projection:

    Limbaugh: And the reason they [the GOP] lost huge is because in a contest of group politics, the experts are gonna always get group votes before the pretenders will. And we were pretenders trying to get the groups. We gotta get the Hispanics, we gotta be moderate, we gotta prove we can walk across the aisle, the era of Reagan is over.

    I never hear Democrats talk about walking across the aisle, never see any of them praise each other or brag about the fact that they do it. They brag about the Republicans that they destroy. They brag about the Republican bills, legislation that they defeat.

    Hatred of Youth/Pop Culture:

    Limbaugh: The culture -- we've lost the culture, Sean. We have lost pop culture. It is unrealistic to expect the people watching MTV, going to see the rot Hollywood's putting out, listening to the rot music is today, every four years to go into a voting booth and vote Republican or conservative. And this isn't even something we have addressed in an electoral way, or a strategic way, but that's gonna have to be done as well.

    Historical Revisionism:

    Limbaugh: I get into arguments with people about this. To this day, FDR is a hero. And Hoover is the idiot -- Hoover is the guy that broke the country. If the media wants to prop somebody up, they will do so. Liberalism in the media -- a series of myths. ... Liberalism cannot deal with the light of truth.

    Crass Hypocrisy:

    Limbaugh: 'Everybody does it.' That's the constant excuse. 'Everybody has sex with their intern. Everybody leaves a stain on a blue dress. Everybody -- '

    Hannity: If Rush Limbaugh did it, it would be a different story.

    [Hey, everybody gets hooked on Oxycontin and uses their housekeeper as their dealer. Everybody takes 'boys' trips to the Caribbean with valises full of illegal Viagra. Everybody gets divorced three times. And it was indeed a different story when Rush Limbaugh did it.]

    Outright Delusion:

    Limbaugh: He [Bush] is a decent man. He had a reverence for the office. That's why he didn't get partisan. He thought it was irreverent to turn the Oval Office, or the office of the Presidency, into a partisan strategic battleplace. He just didn't want to do it, he was content to let history be the judge. I think -- I heard Rove say, I think on your network, that they miscalculated in not firing back on some of these things often enough.

    It's vintage Limbaugh: such an immense avalanche of b-----t that you need a bulldozer to deal with it.

    But if you listen carefully, what you hear is the desperate grasping at straws, for which Limbaugh's customary strawmen are indispensable. And you hear the rage of powerlessness -- the impotence of the obsolete.

    If Conservatives indeed keep following his lead, he'll lead them all right -- into even further irrelevance. Which, when you think about it, is where they richly belong.Crooks and Liars
    And this is the face of the conservative 'movement' today.
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    This story misses a couple of things. Limbaugh's listenership has not dropped off, but rather increased. And he got a big, fat new contract to go along with his big fat head and body. Hannity has similar, but lesser, numbers than Limbaugh.

    So, wrong and corrosive as they are, they are not going away.

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    Are you saying his listernership has increased since the end of the election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    This story misses a couple of things. Limbaugh's listenership has not dropped off, but rather increased. And he got a big, fat new contract to go along with his big fat head and body. Hannity has similar, but lesser, numbers than Limbaugh.

    So, wrong and corrosive as they are, they are not going away.
    No they aren't going away, but Clear Channel has never been fully accurate about their numbers, past or present. They use all kinds of funny math to augment their listenership data and keep the stockholders happy. I wouldn't trust their Rush numbers at all...never did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoAmI View Post
    Are you saying his listernership has increased since the end of the election?

    I just went looking for that info. Nothing except PR pieces. (put out by Rush himself, no doubt) that intimate his surge in popularity rather than show any figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoAmI View Post
    Are you saying his listernership has increased since the end of the election?
    Even if Rush's audience has increased since the election, which I doubt, Rush, Sean Hannity and Fake News have lost their relevance because the Republicans are out of power.

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    Well, I was wondering because I assume all TV and radio political pundit numbers went way up during the election, because people wanted to stay up-to-date on the happenings. I would guess the numbers have fallen off since.

    As for this Beast's numbers, I just assume on principle that anything he or his people says is a lie. I also doubt he can count above eleventy-two.

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    I think across the board most news outlets/stations have seen their numbers drop since the election. Rush's numbers are probably still where they were pre-election, but I don't think he's seen a massive spike. In fact, I've heard some conservatives have been calling into his station and telling him to calm down and give Obama a chance. That didn't go over too well with Rushy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplotterist View Post
    No they aren't going away, but Clear Channel has never been fully accurate about their numbers, past or present. They use all kinds of funny math to augment their listenership data and keep the stockholders happy. I wouldn't trust their Rush numbers at all...never did.
    ClearChannel, which just laid off thousands over the past two weeks, is not going to throw money at anyone who doesn't make them money. Apparently, Limbaugh makes huge sums in advertiser dollars, as well as money from stations that broadcast his show. Below is part of a July 2008 Wall Street Journal story about his recent contract renewal:

    By SARAH MCBRIDE

    Conservative radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh Wednesday inked an eight-year contract for around $400 million, underscoring how radio is spending big sums on bankable talent to compete in the crowded entertainment field.
    It's a big jump from Mr. Limbaugh's last contract, which at $285 million was a record for a radio personality when he signed it in 2001. Since then, the weekly audience for his three-hour midday show has held steady at about 20 million listeners, according to his syndicator, Clear Channel Communications Inc.'s Premiere Radio Networks. But advertisers are increasingly anxious to reach that audience.

    Mr. Limbaugh's show is the nation's most-listened-to, followed by fellow conservative Sean Hannity's show, distributed by ABC Radio Networks, a division of Citadel Broadcasting Corp. Premiere is in advanced talks with Mr. Hannity to try to woo him away for a sum in the $200 million range over eight years, a person familiar with the situation said. Representatives for Mr. Hannity didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokeswoman for Premiere declined to comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Even if Rush's audience has increased since the election, which I doubt, Rush, Sean Hannity and Fake News have lost their relevance because the Republicans are out of power.
    You don't lose your relevance, or your ability to cause problems, just because your particular party is out of power. Loudmouths like Limbaugh were considered one of the reasons why Congress when Republican in 1994, two years into the Clinton Administration. Guys like Limbaugh and Hannity busily fan the flames, get listeners to donate money, and get people to flood their congressperson with angry phone calls. They can be very obstructionist.

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    Mohan, I still would like cold, hard numbers from an unbiased source. There are radio shows that are buttressed by advertisers who sympathize with the POV rather than through real economics. Dr. Laura received that kind of support and I figure so does Rush.

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    Who advertises on his show? I'll have to remember not to support them, if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    You don't lose your relevance, or your ability to cause problems, just because your particular party is out of power. Loudmouths like Limbaugh were considered one of the reasons why Congress when Republican in 1994, two years into the Clinton Administration. Guys like Limbaugh and Hannity busily fan the flames, get listeners to donate money, and get people to flood their congressperson with angry phone calls. They can be very obstructionist.
    Limbaugh has lost a lot of his clout with the Republicans out of power. To his listeners he may be the voice of conservatism, but outside of his listeners nobody takes him seriously. Especially now that he's pretty much gone off the rails when it comes to Obama.

    And Limbaugh and Hannity may have been able to fan the flames because of Clinton, but that was before George W. Bush, and the complete implosion of the Republican Party.

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    And remember, Clinton and Obama are two very, very different men.
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    Well Fox news demo is skiens towards older people rather than the coveted younger demographics. Its okay to have high ratings but the ones that really count and that pays the dough is that of the 25-40 range. I cant see Rush Oxycotin will have that target range. Break down the numbers I bet its a different story.

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