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    Angry Why Rick Warren is a fascist asshole, and an albatross around Obama's neck

    Max Blumenthal has conducted an in-depth investigation of Rick Warren's supposed AIDS in Africa work. It's absolutely horrifying.


    [An] investigation into Warren's involvement in Africa reveals a web of alliances with right-wing clergymen who have sidelined science-based approaches to combating AIDS in favor of abstinence-only education. More disturbingly, Warren's allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent's most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda. Stephen Lewis, the United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa, told the New York Times their activism is "resulting in great damage and undoubtedly will cause significant numbers of infections which should never have occurred."

    Warren's man in Uganda is a charismatic pastor named Martin Ssempa. The head of the Makerere Community Church, a rapidly growing congregation, Ssempa enjoys close ties to his country's first lady, Janet Museveni, and is a favorite of the Bush White House. In the capitol of Kampala, Ssempa is known for his boisterous crusading. Ssempa's stunts have included burning condoms in the name of Jesus and arranging the publication of names of homosexuals in cooperative local newspapers while lobbying for criminal penalties to imprison them.

    Dr. Helen Epstein, a public health consultant who wrote the book, The Invisible Cure: Why We're Losing the Fight Against AIDS in Africa, met Ssempa in 2005. Epstein told me the preacher seemed gripped by paranoia, warning her of a secret witches coven that met under Lake Victoria.

    "Ssempa also spoke to me for a very long time about his fear of homosexual men and women," Epstein said. "He seemed very personally terrified by their presence."

    When Warren unveiled his global AIDS initiative at a 2005 conference at his Saddleback Church, he cast Ssempa as his indispensable sidekick, assigning him to lead a breakout session on abstinence-only education as well as a seminar on AIDS prevention. Later, Ssempa delivered a keynote address, a speech so stirring it "had the audience on the edge of its seats," according to Warren's public relations agency. A year later, Ssempa returned to Saddleback Church to lead another seminar on AIDS. By this time, his bond with the Warrens had grown almost familial. "You are my brother, Martin, and I love you," Rick Warren's wife, Kay, said to Ssempa from the stage. Her voice trembled with emotion as she spoke, and tears ran down her cheeks....

    In August 2007, Ssempa led hundreds of his followers through the streets of Kampala to demand that the government mete out harsh punishments against gays. "Arrest all homos," read placards. And: "A man cannot marry a man." Ssempa continued his crusade online, publishing the names of Ugandan gay rights activists on a Web site he created, along with photos and home addresses. "Homosexual promoters," he called them, suggesting they intended to seduce Uganda's children into their lifestyle. Soon afterward, two of President Museveni's top officials demanded the arrest of the gay activists named by Ssempa. Terrified, the activists immediately into hiding...

    when Uganda's Anglican bishops threatened to bolt from the Church of England because of its tolerant stance towards homosexuals, Warren parachuted into Kampala to confer international legitimacy on their protest.

    "The Church of England is wrong, and I support the Church of Uganda on the boycott," Warren proclaimed in March 2008. Declaring homosexuality an unnatural way of life, Warren flatly stated, "We shall not tolerate this aspect [homosexuality in the church] at all."



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    Jesus. THIS IS THE 'VALID VIEWPOINT' YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE, OBAMA?!

    I'm appalled. What a hideously stupid decision to have this guy at any event, let alone an inauguration. THis asshole should be languishing in a loony bin or better yet, JAIL.
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    Rick Warren was a bad choice on Obama's part, but he's stuck with him. Just like McCain was stuck with Palin. If you drop the person then you're calling your own judgement into question. So, Obama's got to ride the Warren Shit-Storm Express until Inauguration Day.

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    Yeah, heaven forbid he admit a horrible mistake and try to correct it. Can't have that happen. He's The New Decider.


    There are 2 possibilities:

    1) Obama was ignorant of Warren and, like that jackass Gupta, just wanted someone with star power to draw people. Still, having found out all this he's refused to dump the shitbag.

    2) He knew all along and decided to use him anyway.

    Either way, it's bad. Very bad.
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    they say silence = consent

    but having him at the inaguration is even worse than silence, it's giving this person validation - it's approval
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    It's far beyond approval - it's PROMOTION.

    But hey, killing people and bigotry, as long as it's gays or AIDs related, is a valid viewpoint. Anybody else, it's wrong.

    *kicks Obama in the nards*
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    Did you see this blind yesterday?

    Blind Gossip 01/07/08

    Which celebrity pastor - who is pals with several noted dignitaries - better start praying that his hypocrisy isnít exposed? Like many religious conservatives, he loves to preach about family values and he has spoken out against same-sex marriage. Meanwhile, behind his own familyís mega-mansion is a guest house where our preacher cozies up with his own special male companion.
    The more I read about Warren, the more I think he's a self-hating gay man.

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    Well yeah, they're all like that. You know what the gay community needs?

    Their own version of "Anonymous".
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    There used to be a group in NYC that did that. It was more of the Stonewall generation. Younger gays don't seem to have as much courage as the older ones did. I miss those days. All the marches and protests and street theater. *sigh*

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    Act Up.... I remember vividly. Great protests aimed at Ronnie Ray-gun

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    Yes! Thank you!

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    ^^ you're welcome. I was an angry NYU student at the time, the protests were brilliant. Nude, lay downs in the parks and on the avenues.....

    Keith Haring's art...Larry Kramer's writings.....just brilliant creative protests

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    There's a fun group called the Pink Pistols.. basically "armed faggots don't get bashed"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Rick Warren was a bad choice on Obama's part, but he's stuck with him. Just like McCain was stuck with Palin. If you drop the person then you're calling your own judgement into question. So, Obama's got to ride the Warren Shit-Storm Express until Inauguration Day.
    Well he sure didnt mind throwing Reverend Wright under the bus, and for way less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    Yeah, heaven forbid he admit a horrible mistake and try to correct it. Can't have that happen. He's The New Decider.


    There are 2 possibilities:

    1) Obama was ignorant of Warren and, like that jackass Gupta, just wanted someone with star power to draw people. Still, having found out all this he's refused to dump the shitbag.

    2) He knew all along and decided to use him anyway.

    Either way, it's bad. Very bad.
    No president, especially an incoming one, is going to admit they made a mistake and call their own judgement into question if they don't have to. The only way I can see Obama saying that Warren is a mistake is if it completely blows up in his face, which it hasn't done...yet. Now, I think Obama knew a lot about Warren and still decided to use him anyway, which was a bad call.

    As far as Gupta and his ties to the drug industry that applies to just about every doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamaste View Post
    There used to be a group in NYC that did that. It was more of the Stonewall generation. Younger gays don't seem to have as much courage as the older ones did. I miss those days. All the marches and protests and street theater. *sigh*

    Act Up started in response to AIDS, it was actually the generation after Stonewall.

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